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clubcricketeradi wrote:Mumbai have spent huge on players we want. We have released Michael Hussey. Hence i think we should try to get at least one of Finch and Kallis amongst foreign players.

We have bought Finch

McClenaghan is also a good buy

Dont know why we bought Akshay Wahkare given that kshemal Waingankar went unsold. Kshemal had won the Mumbai single wicket tournament few years back.

clubcricketeradi wrote:

hopeforthebest wrote:

KipperJohn wrote:KP £205,000
Morgan £156,000
Bopara £100,000

Hales, Carberry, Sanga, Mahela and Dilshan all unsold.

Topical question - who gets the tax on their IPL earnings?

These auction values are they the salaries of the players?

Yes, that is the salary. I think KP has very less compared to what he got last year if was bif only once as CF said. Dont remember how much he fetched last year but lastt time there was intense bidding for him.

I wondered where the winning bidder's money went in theses auctions. Wasn't sure if it was the player or the BCCI. What happens if the player isn't happy with the bid? Or do they have a minimum they are prepared to play for? Also what happens to a player who isn't sold? Do they try for less money or do they just have to accept the IPL doesn't want them?

there's another day at auction i believe??

There's hope for Hales and Carberry then.

Aidan11 wrote:
I wondered where the winning bidder's money went in theses auctions. Wasn't sure if it was the player or the BCCI. What happens if the player isn't happy with the bid? Or do they have a minimum they are prepared to play for? Also what happens to a player who isn't sold? Do they try for less money or do they just have to accept the IPL doesn't want them?

afaik they have 2 prices in the auction , a recommended price that if anyone meets they get them , if no-one meets it then teams can bid below that amount and the highest bid wins but the players set a reserve price on themselves which bids have to be above

once the first stage of the auction is over players can re-consider the reserve price if no team has met it and accept a lower amount

Aidan11 wrote:

clubcricketeradi wrote:

hopeforthebest wrote:

KipperJohn wrote:KP £205,000
Morgan £156,000
Bopara £100,000

Hales, Carberry, Sanga, Mahela and Dilshan all unsold.

Topical question - who gets the tax on their IPL earnings?

These auction values are they the salaries of the players?

Yes, that is the salary. I think KP has very less compared to what he got last year if was bif only once as CF said. Dont remember how much he fetched last year but lastt time there was intense bidding for him.

I wondered where the winning bidder's money went in theses auctions. Wasn't sure if it was the player or the BCCI. What happens if the player isn't happy with the bid? Or do they have a minimum they are prepared to play for? Also what happens to a player who isn't sold? Do they try for less money or do they just have to accept the IPL doesn't want them?

The player is selling himself for base price, so if someone bids for him even at base price he becomes part of the franchisee who bids for him. He has no option to say i wont sell at even base price. Neither can the bidders offer less than base price nor can the player under sell themselves. If he says i am available to sell then he has to get sold if someone buy. He cant say no to franchisee once he is bought.

Players who are not sold are put up again next day. Then second round happens, some more get bought. Then on that day itself auctioneer discusses with franchise bidders which pool they want to bid, eg international unsold, national unsold etc. For eg Ross taylor who was unsold on first day last year got unsold in second lot as well, then in discussions auctioneer asked if any franchisee want to bid for any particular players. the they took few names in auction pool as per discussion and Ross Taylor got sold in that lot at base price.

clubcricketeradi wrote:

Aidan11 wrote:

clubcricketeradi wrote:

hopeforthebest wrote:

KipperJohn wrote:KP £205,000
Morgan £156,000
Bopara £100,000

Hales, Carberry, Sanga, Mahela and Dilshan all unsold.

Topical question - who gets the tax on their IPL earnings?

These auction values are they the salaries of the players?

Yes, that is the salary. I think KP has very less compared to what he got last year if was bif only once as CF said. Dont remember how much he fetched last year but lastt time there was intense bidding for him.

I wondered where the winning bidder's money went in theses auctions. Wasn't sure if it was the player or the BCCI. What happens if the player isn't happy with the bid? Or do they have a minimum they are prepared to play for? Also what happens to a player who isn't sold? Do they try for less money or do they just have to accept the IPL doesn't want them?

The player is selling himself for base price, so if someone bids for him even at base price he becomes part of the franchisee who bids for him. He has no option to say i wont sell at even base price. Neither can the bidders offer less than base price nor can the player under sell themselves. If he says i am available to sell then he has to get sold if someone buy. He cant say no to franchisee once he is bought.

Players who are not sold are put up again next day. Then second round happens, some more get bought. Then on that day itself auctioneer discusses with franchise bidders which pool they want to bid, eg international unsold, national unsold etc. For eg Ross taylor who was unsold on first day last year got unsold in second lot as well, then in discussions auctioneer asked if any franchisee want to bid for any particular players. the they took few names in auction pool as per discussion and Ross Taylor got sold in that lot at base price.

Thanks for explaining that adi.

It's certainly a unique way of signing players but it seems to work. I can't see something like that happening over here.

Aidan11 wrote:

I wondered where the winning bidder's money went in theses auctions. Wasn't sure if it was the player or the BCCI. What happens if the player isn't happy with the bid? Or do they have a minimum they are prepared to play for? Also what happens to a player who isn't sold? Do they try for less money or do they just have to accept the IPL doesn't want them?

The player is selling himself for base price, so if someone bids for him even at base price he becomes part of the franchisee who bids for him. He has no option to say i wont sell at even base price. Neither can the bidders offer less than base price nor can the player under sell themselves. If he says i am available to sell then he has to get sold if someone buy. He cant say no to franchisee once he is bought.

Players who are not sold are put up again next day. Then second round happens, some more get bought. Then on that day itself auctioneer discusses with franchise bidders which pool they want to bid, eg international unsold, national unsold etc. For eg Ross taylor who was unsold on first day last year got unsold in second lot as well, then in discussions auctioneer asked if any franchisee want to bid for any particular players. the they took few names in auction pool as per discussion and Ross Taylor got sold in that lot at base price.[/quote]

Thanks for explaining that adi.



It's certainly a unique way of signing players but it seems to work. I can't see something like that happening over here.[/quote]



It is not perfect because imo Ronchi should have been sold in this form. It does not means Ronchi is a bad player at the moment, but the foreign spots are fixed and why waste lot i they are not going to play. Most IPL winnings teams have 3 sure starters foreign players. Like international teams, foreign players have sealed spots in IPL teams and it is difficult for foreignors to remove those well settled foreign players which also might disrupt the team combo. So it becomes pointless to buy Maxwell when Mumbai already have Corey and Pollard and the backup foreign all rounder who will get only one or two matches. Why waste so much money for one match, better to buy local top quality player who will play more matches and give better returns fro money spent.

Alex Hales was someone Mumbai could have looked once Mussey was out last year but his form was disastrous in ODI and Big Bash. So better to go for in form Finch who also is a a one or two or 4 overs bowler given his bowling form in that match. In Rohits injury he can captain as well. Plus now 3 years of IPL experience. Apart from such things other franchises have other factors to look at to not select quality T20 players. So many will miss. There cannot be a perfect system with so many consideration for franchisees. Still franchisees have very good foreign players.

There is a lot of flexibility offered by auctioneer in round table discussion after second round of bidding gets over. Actually the retaining concept covers 80% of players they want, so two auctions are more than enough. Plus they have the flexible lot category. Franchisees in fact cannot complain apart from the budget limitation aspect in the auctions.

What surprises me is England had T20 (Friend Life) since many years before or whatever it was called when it started. ECB failed to market it. BCCI used same format but marketed it well in first year itself. Aussies tarted Big Bash and they made it bigger than Friends Life in just 2 years. But Friends Life is standing where it was. No marketing, they just change names of teams. What about broadcasting globally or on U Tube like IPL. No good marketing strategies just name changing wont help.

Can someone explain to me why Yuvraj commands such a high price in the IPL? It's not as if his record is anything to write home about. Last season he was decent without being amazing, prior to that he's been nowhere near the top batsmen for years, and nowhere near India's limited overs side. 16 crores is 5-8 pretty good players - much rather have that than one fairly average batsman.

bigfluffylemon wrote:Can someone explain to me why Yuvraj commands such a high price in the IPL? It's not as if his record is anything to write home about. Last season he was decent without being amazing, prior to that he's been nowhere near the top batsmen for years, and nowhere near India's limited overs side. 16 crores is 5-8 pretty good players - much rather have that than one fairly average batsman.

He was far and away the best Indian player available at the auction. And you need 7 Indian players in the same XI. So star Indians are obviously gonna attract big money. Which is why I surprised by RCB's decision to release him. They clearly wanted him back at a lower price as they bid heavily for him in this auction but it didn't quite work out. He showed signs of returning to his best towards the latter half of the IPL last year and has a terrific record at the Chinnaswamy, the home ground of RCB. Not sure the Feroz Shah Kotla would suit him as much though.

Glad Pujara went unsold. He can now hopefully play a full season of county cricket.

shankycricket wrote:

bigfluffylemon wrote:Can someone explain to me why Yuvraj commands such a high price in the IPL? It's not as if his record is anything to write home about. Last season he was decent without being amazing, prior to that he's been nowhere near the top batsmen for years, and nowhere near India's limited overs side. 16 crores is 5-8 pretty good players - much rather have that than one fairly average batsman.

He was far and away the best Indian player available at the auction. And you need 7 Indian players in the same XI. So star Indians are obviously gonna attract big money. Which is why I surprised by RCB's decision to release him. They clearly wanted him back at a lower price as they bid heavily for him in this auction but it didn't quite work out. He showed signs of returning to his best towards the latter half of the IPL last year and has a terrific record at the Chinnaswamy, the home ground of RCB. Not sure the Feroz Shah Kotla would suit him as much though.

Glad Pujara went unsold. He can now hopefully play a full season of county cricket.

Frankly if Yuvraj was the best Indian player available at the auction, it doesn't say much for the quality of the rest of them. I still think it's a ludicrous amount of money considering what you could have got instead.

I would guess there is a PR element to it as well , he is still a very popular player in india

might be a marketing and commercial boost with him there

rich1uk wrote:I would guess there is a PR element to it as well , he is still a very popular player in india

might be a marketing and commercial boost with him there

60 crores is a heck of a lot of Y. Singh t-shirts, but I take your point.

bigfluffylemon wrote:

rich1uk wrote:I would guess there is a PR element to it as well , he is still a very popular player in india

might be a marketing and commercial boost with him there

60 crores is a heck of a lot of Y. Singh t-shirts, but I take your point.

Yuvraj is a very emotive player - A World Cup winner and someone who over came cancer to return to playing. Yes his international days are almost certainly over, but he has huge potential both on the field and in the cheque book. It's a phenomenal amount of money for someone who isn't at the top of the international game, but the IPL has never been just about the cricket.

Delhi needed a captain. Amongst Indian players they lacked options. Yuvi is a captaincy material with vast short format experience. As a player he has lost the consistency and he is just not the same after he has been dropped from international teams. What he can bring to Delhi is a better fan base in terms of number and poster boy for them in marketing. However, i don't think he was worth that much. At this point of time they could have easily got many international cricketers better than him now at half that price.