Premiership 2014/2015

[budgetmeansbudget]

Rumours that Pardew is going to take the Palace job.

Surely not.

Sounds credible. Wouldn't blame him, as he takes a fair bit of stick.

He'd be leaving Newcastle with a nice positive on his CV, has done pretty well with an ordinary squad, no money, and all the decent players sold.

[st_brendy]

Pardew played for Palace (he made more appearances for him than any other club, I understand - including an FA Cup final).

Pardew was born in London.

Pardew has spent a large part of his playing and managerial career in and around London.

Pardew will know that the Newcastle fans hate him, and without regular Champions League football and Cup finals (which wont happen) they will never accept him (which is a fault of the fans, not of Pardew).

With the right management and one or two additions next month, Palace have an excellent chance of being a PL club next season.

It does actually make some sense. What doesn't make too much sense to me is Palace wanting him. He has no real record of surviving relegation battles, and Palace are hardly flush with cash and would surely be better off using £5million on improving their squad rather than using it to pay compensation to Newcastle (I've seen more than our source give £5m as the compensation amount).

[st_brendy]

Rumours that Pardew is going to take the Palace job.

Surely not.

Sounds credible. Wouldn't blame him, as he takes a fair bit of stick.

He'd be leaving Newcastle with a nice positive on his CV, has done pretty well with an ordinary squad, no money, and all the decent players sold.

Very roughly:

£12m Cabella
£10m Cisse
£7m Yanga-Mbiwa
£7m Anita
£7m Darlow & Lascelles combined
£6m Ben Arfa
£6m Riviere
£6m De Jong
£6m Debuchy
£5m Janmaat
£5m Cabaye
£5m Santon
£4m Tiote
£3m Obertan
£3m Sissoko

Don't get me wrong, the sales of Carroll, Ba, Cabaye, and Debuchy have ultimately funded almost all of the above. But it's not like Pardew hasn't spent a penny.

[budgetmeansbudget]

I bow to your superior knowledge of the Premiership Brendy, I was always under the impression that Mr Sports Direct was as tight as a cat's arse. The summer activity seemed to pass me by, I guess because there weren't many notable signings. A guy at work's dad who is pretty close to the people who matter at Soton once told me one or two rumours about Mr Pardew's bedroom shenanigans when he was at the club. For the life of me I can't remember what he did exactly, but if true would have upset one or two squad members.

[sussexpob]

Rumours that Pardew is going to take the Palace job.

Don't get me wrong, the sales of Carroll, Ba, Cabaye, and Debuchy have ultimately funded almost all of the above. But it's not like Pardew hasn't spent a penny.

Tiote and Ben Arfa were signed by Hughton, and Cabella is believed to have cost £7 million.

He has had money to spend, when taking in terms of net spend and capacity of a team that size however, they are probably one of the lowest transfer budgets in the last 5 years, if not the actual lowest. They only sign players they can sell on really, and dont spend money that they havent received before they spend it.

Cabaye, Enrique, Ba, Carroll and Debuchy I would guess more than have adequately funded the whole of the building of this team with cash to spare..... and since 2008/09, my guess is they must have cut the wage bill at the same time significantly, considering Nolan, Barton, etc were believed to be on in excess of 60k a week when they dropped down a division.

How much is that Pardew is the real question? Arguably nothing, they have a great scouting network and are known to bleed chairman from selling clubs to the lowest value signing fees as possible.

Pardew has no part in what has made Newcastle a profitable and brilliantly frugal team. He isnt a great tactical manager, and doesnt conduct himself well for the club.

I actually think this manager move has the potential to work for both sides very favourably.

[sussexpob]

In fact, I will always have a huge soft spot for the Magpies because all of my family are black and white Geordies (apart from my dad, who is the red side of the NE).....

Newcastle fans, however, are a fickle bunch. Mike Ashley is, to me anyway, a very good chairman for a team who in the decade before he came, wasted money on utter crap, and paid over the odds on transfer fees and players wages.

What Ashley has managed to oversee in the last 3-4 deserves big credit. He has stablised Newcastle into a Premier League team, hasnt spent or risked the long term finances to do it, and has bought in some pretty good players also.

I dont understand why Newcastle fans hate him so much. Would they rather they underachieved by blasting cash on washed up crap like they used to?

[Aidan11]

In fact, I will always have a huge soft spot for the Magpies because all of my family are black and white Geordies (apart from my dad, who is the red side of the NE).....

Newcastle fans, however, are a fickle bunch. Mike Ashley is, to me anyway, a very good chairman for a team who in the decade before he came, wasted money on utter crap, and paid over the odds on transfer fees and players wages.

What Ashley has managed to oversee in the last 3-4 deserves big credit. He has stablised Newcastle into a Premier League team, hasnt spent or risked the long term finances to do it, and has bought in some pretty good players also.

I dont understand why Newcastle fans hate him so much. Would they rather they underachieved by blasting cash on washed up crap like they used to?

Ashley has done wonders for the club but he has made some decisions that have angered fans. He turned up to the first game in a NUFC replica shirt which was considered to be not the done thing from someone in his position. Along the way, decisions such as getting Wonga to be the shirt sponsors and trying to rename the ground have also met with severe criticism. He also seems too pre-occupied with Rangers as well.

[Aidan11]

Looks like Pardew has now joined Palace.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... alace.html

[Aidan11]

I wonder who will get the Newcastle job then.

[andy]

seems a strange move to me..however maybe he was just fed up with all the stick..

[Aidan11]

I reckon Tony Pulis could be worth a shout.

[Aidan11]

It's cost Palace £2m compensation.

[durham_andy]

I'm not really sure why Newcastle fans get a reputation for being fickle. Personally I've wanted Pardew out for a while (since last season) and even during the run of 5 wins I didn't want him as manager as it would all go wrong again. A lot of fans held a similar view.

As for Ashley my main issue is the way the club openly say cups aren't a priority. As a team that is fairly safe in the Premier League but just outside any European places we should really be trying in the cups. Just look at playing a weekend side at Spurs in the quarter final of the league cup.

[sussexpob]

I'm not really sure why Newcastle fans get a reputation for being fickle. Personally I've wanted Pardew out for a while (since last season) and even during the run of 5 wins I didn't want him as manager as it would all go wrong again. A lot of fans held a similar view.

As for Ashley my main issue is the way the club openly say cups aren't a priority. As a team that is fairly safe in the Premier League but just outside any European places we should really be trying in the cups. Just look at playing a weekend side at Spurs in the quarter final of the league cup.

Fickle maybe the wrong word.... deluded and ungrateful is probably closer to home.

When Newcastle were relegated in 08-09, the club was in absolute catastrophe. They had a wage bill that was nearly equivalent to the actual turnover of the club (90% it was believed), and were paying somewhere close to £1.2 - £1.5 million per week on wages!!! Think about it, Michael Owen was on way over 6 figures a week, you had washed up crap like Barton and Butt on reported 60k a week, and then guys like N'Zogbia, Alan Smith, Martins, Bassong, Damien Duff all on way over the money that they were worth.

Yet, rather then give credit were its due when the club goes through a period of consolidation, gradually improves the squad while making a profit, slashes the wage bill and stops buying players that are either washed out or had attitude problems (remember Bowyer, Dyer, Woodgate,Ferguson, Guthrie, Barton? Newcastle was a haven for the cream of English footballing idiots)..... you instead campaign to have the guys responsible sacked consistently???

Pardew kept you up in his first year, I know its difficult for most Newcastle fans to get passed their apparent belief that they are a super club, but they had lost incredible amounts of talent since being relegated and hardly spent anything to replace it. It wasnt a given they could stay up by any means.

He then finished 6th, 10th and is currently 10th, with one year they finished in the lower half after a bad run, but had more to do with selling their only striker half way through the year and signings Shefti Kuji as a replacement

HE has had to endure with paper thin squads where any money spent has been maintaining first team quality and replacing losses, and only really this year have they addressed the size and depth of their team.

And, in the end, how much NET spend have they had???

£2.5 million over the last 5 years - Beaten only by Tottenham, who's Bale transfer masks one of the biggest spending teams in the world, Burnley (who have yet to survive a year in the Premier League inside that period, so hardly been a great strategy) and Everton.... who narrowly beat Newcastle by a few quid overall.

On what grounds would you sack Pardew? Keeping up a team with no net spend? Slashing the wage bill? Increasing the saleable assets at the club? Keeping them consistently acceptable in performance while building a squad?

I think his average position is about 10th or 11th in 5 years after Newcastle were relegated.

What is acceptable? Do you think Pardew should be in Europe every year, beating teams like Liverpool to the top 6?

[sussexpob]

I mean lets just assess some things here. In the last 5 years taking transfer spend as a net figure....

Stoke - Spend about 8-9 times more per season net than Newcastle
QPR - 11 to 12 times more
Sunderland - 4 times
Hull - 7 to 8 times
Southampton - For all they have sold of value, have still had 3 to 4 times the net spend
West Ham - 12 to 13 times more
Swansea - Double
West Brom - 3 or 4 times
Villas - 4 times more

Newcastle have no financially viable right to finish above these teams, but do and have