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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby sussexpob » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:00 am

Gingerfinch wrote:Your second team Norwich had a little help from a hand, on their winning goal, sussex.


Was it Jonny Howson? There was definitely a hand in the build up before the ball got to Olsson, but it did need a slo mo replay with someone pointing it out for me to see it, I can understand why the ref didnt see it in that instance.Not that its right.... when your luck is down, your luck is down I guess.

If Alex Neil keeps this team up, then he deserves huge plaudits. Norwich have such a terrible team on paper!!
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby Gingerfinch » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:02 am

Yeah I wouldn't blame the ref for not seeing that. Good finish, mind.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby sussexpob » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:04 am

Hopefully I wont need my mini-support for Norwich next year..... Ill have Brighton's relegation battle to flood my emotions with.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:18 am

sussexpob wrote:The whole football establishment are pining for Leicester to win it, so the fact the ref didnt give it has nothing to do with anything.

not that many teams fans should complain. After all, Man United got years of it.

Not sure pining is the word, but you are prone to exaggeration at times.

If Leicester win the title it gives hope to the rest, and with the extra sky dosh it's possible West Ham or Southampton could win it next season. Probably not great for our chances on Europe, but I for one am fed up with the big clubs winning it season after season after season.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:21 am

Gingerfinch wrote:
budgetmeansbudget wrote:Trust me it wasn't, and the referee agreed with me, so I'm right!


We should do a CMS vote :)

No need it wasn't a penalty!
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby Gingerfinch » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:26 am

I think most neutral want Leicester to win it. I certainly do.

Big weekend coming up. Spurs are playing Utd, and Arsenal are at Upton Park. If results go Leicester's way, then it's job done.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby sussexpob » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:37 am

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sussexpob wrote:The whole football establishment are pining for Leicester to win it, so the fact the ref didnt give it has nothing to do with anything.

not that many teams fans should complain. After all, Man United got years of it.

Not sure pining is the word, but you are prone to exaggeration at times.


To "pine" after something is to crave or yearn for something strongly. I think your second comment about being sick of the big teams winning, which is something the majority of non-Tottenham fans now echo, leave the comment about my exaggeration levels redundant.

Examples like yesterday to me essentially showed that Leicester will win, simply because there is a will and a narrative thats positive. Referee's will ignore a defender saving on the line, commentators will ignore referee's making those mistakes week in week out because they dont want to dwell on it, neither do the general public because it ruins the fairy tale ending that everyone craves for..... Its all cyclic. Leicester got themselves in the position to win, and ever since the mechanics of the football establishment have been working in every way to make sure it happens.

Without refs they would already have slipped down to 7th by now.

This is always the case. Without a similar process, Steven Gerrard would have been sent of 56 times in his career and played the majority of it for Preston, but he was captain fantastic and a white Englishman, so all of his leg snapping tackles were "honest hard work grit and determination"..... not physical assault as many of them often were (just ask Boateng, who nearly had his leg ripped from his knee socket).... maybe even Alan Shearer, would kicked more than one person in the face when on the floor (didnt he nearly blind Ugo Eghigo?) while escaping punishment.

If you are Uruguay though, good luck getting off with any of that
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:51 am

More exaggeration, misguided belief, or whatever you want to call it, that the referees have been guided to give preferential treatment to Leicester. Utter rubbish.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:55 am

Gingerfinch wrote:I think most neutral want Leicester to win it. I certainly do.

Big weekend coming up. Spurs are playing Utd, and Arsenal are at Upton Park. If results go Leicester's way, then it's job done.

They may need to have things sorted before the last three games, because they look particularly tough.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby Gingerfinch » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:57 am

budgetmeansbudget wrote:
Gingerfinch wrote:I think most neutral want Leicester to win it. I certainly do.

Big weekend coming up. Spurs are playing Utd, and Arsenal are at Upton Park. If results go Leicester's way, then it's job done.

They may need to have things sorted before the last three games, because they look particularly tough.


Everton not so much.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby sussexpob » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:26 am

budgetmeansbudget wrote:More exaggeration, misguided belief, or whatever you want to call it, that the referees have been guided to give preferential treatment to Leicester. Utter rubbish.


I didnt says they were "guided to give preferential treatment" at all. Its more to do with decisions being in the spotlight and the pressures from the public. Yesterday we seen a clear red card/penalty (as I said, even Ranieri described it as a fantastic save, so the debate about it is literally a non starter")...., but the public want Leicester to win, so the referee at that point knows if he gets a bad decision against Leicester, he has a lot of angry people to answer to, and if he gives a bad decision against Southampton, the press and majority of fans are happy to ignore it. They have ignored it all season after all. So he waves play on because it causes him an easier job at the final whistle. Ever since Leicester were realistically in this title race, the same thing has happened. Every marginal decision has gone their way, and for an average team playing other average teams, it makes a difference.

The best example I can think of was a game at Old Trafford years ago. Evra got left for dead by Mortan Gamst Pederson in a game I believe was being won by United who had been far from the better team, and who really needed it late in the season. Evra makes a tackle in the box just as Pederson is about to shoot 1-1 and gets nowhere near the ball while taking it out. Its a red card/penalty all day long, but the ref bottled it. Next day, the narrative was "winning when playing badly is the mark of champions" and that "Blackburn are in trouble because they cant take their opportunities in a tight match"..... nothing about the penalty. It was ignored. Had he given it 14 million United fans would have called for his blood, despite the merit of the decision.

Referee's want to make decisions so often that appease as many people as possible, rather than what is right.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby Gingerfinch » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:38 am

I don't see it as teams getting preferential treatment. I do think certain players will get subjective treatment. For example when Ronaldo used to go down in his early years at OT, the common thought, and that of the refs was, he dived, when in fact most of the time, he was fouled.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:46 am

I really don't believe referees can run a game by having any sort of ulterior motive in their minds. It's difficult enough to get the decisions right without having other issues in the back of their minds clouding their judgement. I don't for a minute believe they favour teams per se, but can understand that certain game situations may increase the pressure on them to make certain decisions. Not for any desire by fans or the country to aid certain teams to win games though.

Going back to the Simpson call, I still don't understand how people can think it was deliberate handball and a penalty? If that was a penalty then every time the ball comes into contact with a hand or arm in the box then it's a penalty which is a ridiculous situation.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby sussexpob » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:48 am

Gingerfinch wrote:I don't see it as teams getting preferential treatment.


More than a few referees have stated since retiring in books that the pressure put on them by Ferguson at United, and by the greater public wanting United to win, really made a difference to what they decided on the pitch. One went as far to suggest that every decision that went wrong lead to a 3 hour phone call from Ferguson demanding to know answers, and that some referees would rather not give decisions against them and have to field the call (although it does suggest why refs didnt just hang up on him).
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby Gingerfinch » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:50 am

It didn't just hit him though, he actually knocked the ball down.

Huth's was not so clear, as the ball hit him at close range, even if he did have his hand out.
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