International Football thread

[Alviro Patterson]

I agree with Kim, it's not Jonathan Trott's fault if his father decided to go gallivanting in another country.

[SaintPowelly]

Did Wilshere say/imply 'born in this country', 'raised', or 'lived here a few years'?

tbh, I think most would prefer a team with players that were born/raised in this country. Who have been coached and educated on our land. This goes for all sports for me. I wasn't actually o worried about Mo Farah, as I thought he had been raised abroad. I only really started to support him, after I realised he had in fact been raised in England.

He said people that move him aren't English despite fulfilling a residency period, not sure why KP is getting involved, he has an English mum.

Jonathan Trott for example will NEVER be English.

Who says? Wilshere? And why?

Don't know why KP got involved either as the two sports are fundamentally different. You can be born in a backwater like San Marino and still play top class international football, play at Wembley etc.. With only 10 test nations cricket has to be more inclusive.

Trott was born in South Africa to South African parents, played for South Africa U15s and U19s and then moved to England...NONE of that makes him English.

[Kim]

Did Wilshere say/imply 'born in this country', 'raised', or 'lived here a few years'?

tbh, I think most would prefer a team with players that were born/raised in this country. Who have been coached and educated on our land. This goes for all sports for me. I wasn't actually o worried about Mo Farah, as I thought he had been raised abroad. I only really started to support him, after I realised he had in fact been raised in England.

He said people that move him aren't English despite fulfilling a residency period, not sure why KP is getting involved, he has an English mum.

Jonathan Trott for example will NEVER be English.

Who says? Wilshere? And why?

Don't know why KP got involved either as the two sports are fundamentally different. You can be born in a backwater like San Marino and still play top class international football, play at Wembley etc.. With only 10 test nations cricket has to be more inclusive.

Trott was born in South Africa to South African parents, played for South Africa U15s and U19s and then moved to England...NONE of that makes him English.

His father is 100% English, his uncle captained England, he has had an English passport since the day he was born.

That's pretty English to me.

[SaintPowelly]

Did Wilshere say/imply 'born in this country', 'raised', or 'lived here a few years'?

tbh, I think most would prefer a team with players that were born/raised in this country. Who have been coached and educated on our land. This goes for all sports for me. I wasn't actually o worried about Mo Farah, as I thought he had been raised abroad. I only really started to support him, after I realised he had in fact been raised in England.

He said people that move him aren't English despite fulfilling a residency period, not sure why KP is getting involved, he has an English mum.

Jonathan Trott for example will NEVER be English.

Who says? Wilshere? And why?

Don't know why KP got involved either as the two sports are fundamentally different. You can be born in a backwater like San Marino and still play top class international football, play at Wembley etc.. With only 10 test nations cricket has to be more inclusive.

Trott was born in South Africa to South African parents, played for South Africa U15s and U19s and then moved to England...NONE of that makes him English.

His father is 100% English, his uncle captained England, he has had an English passport since the day he was born.

That's pretty English to me.

Then he should NEVER of represented South Africa, you are either 1 or the other.

[Kim]

He was 14 when SA first picked him - far too young to be thinking long term especially at an age when you have no idea whether you have a chance of making cricket your life.

No 14 year old schoolboy would give a thought to what they ultimately want to do at that age.

Harsh reality is hes got far more right to play for England than Basil D'Oliveira and Gladstone Small for example- and I don't see many complaining about them.

[Kim]

AAARGH!!!!!! This site is still out of whack I see.

[Alviro Patterson]

No coincidence how England look more effective up-front with Danny Welbeck playing down the middle of the pitch.

[yuppie]

Looks like England are still in control of their destinay.

Goal difference should be ok if they draw the last game

[Alviro Patterson]

San Marino avoiding defeat to Ukraine is as likely as Manchester United relegated from the Premier League this season, England ideally need to win on Tuesday to ensure automatic World Cup qualification.

[hopeforthebest]

Might be a good time for a few bulky brown envelopes to circulate around some polish footballers.

[Alviro Patterson]

I'd rather offer San Marino players a no lose bonus than bribe our opposition.

[Durhamfootman]

decent enough performance, if the highlights are anything to go by. I thought Townsend (who I've never heard of before tonight) was terrific, as was Baines. Poor from Walker (unusually, I think), Wellbeck was his usual wasteful self, but tw@t of the night goes to Sturridge, for going down like a ponce in the box under very little pressure (which I hate..... and before anybody says "Oooh but there was contact"... well I'd never make a footballer because I don't feel the need to fall over whenever I scratch an itch on my leg).

Bring on the Poles.... and for pity sakes lets hop[e the papers and telly stop banging on about 40 years ago...... FFS... it was 40 *modded* years ago... get over it

[Alviro Patterson]

One thing i'm impressed with this England team is that the likes of Baines, Walker, Welbeck, Lambert and Townsend while not as technically gifted as the golden generation end up putting in more meaningful performances as a unit.

[mikesiva]

Andros Townsend....

[sussexpob]

So we beat a country 50 times smaller than ours that was missing 7 of their first choice team.... I wont be looking much into this result, its only a lack of belief in the system and the team that does not demand this result every game against such dire opposition.... I am still in shock we drew with this shower of shite last time we played.

We had an easy group, as easy as we could have ever hoped for with the only games forgivable to give points away where Ukraine away, and at a massive push Id give you Poland, but we should beat Poland comfortably home or away. Their top defender cant get into the Leicester starting XI this year, and the rest of their squad barring the two Dortmund lads(and they play B?aszczykowski out of his usual position) is a mixture of second rate pros and completely untested 19-22 year olds. Their most capped player when they played England was playing in the Ukrainian 2nd Division!!!!

It seems English football fans only have two levels of demand..... the unrealistic French revolution style "off with his head" when we dont beat Brazil in a world cup and the assumption is we have a good team, or the "well it is hard to create chances against Andorra when we have a few injuries" when we dont feel we have a good team.