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I'd also impose a "maximum of 4 overseas players" rule on teams in the EPL like we have in the IPL.

shankycricket wrote:I'd also impose a "maximum of 4 overseas players" rule on teams in the EPL like we have in the IPL.

Trouble is, we weren't that good before overseas players arrived.

shankycricket wrote:I'd also impose a "maximum of 4 overseas players" rule on teams in the EPL like we have in the IPL.

We can't because of EU rules.

Dr Robert wrote:

shankycricket wrote:I'd also impose a "maximum of 4 overseas players" rule on teams in the EPL like we have in the IPL.

Trouble is, we weren't that good before overseas players arrived.

Funny thing is our league has never been fully English. Pre-PL days our top teams were made up of Scots, Welsh & Irish players as well.

Aidan11 wrote:

Dr Robert wrote:

shankycricket wrote:I'd also impose a "maximum of 4 overseas players" rule on teams in the EPL like we have in the IPL.

Trouble is, we weren't that good before overseas players arrived.

Funny thing is our league has never been fully English. Pre-PL days our top teams were made up of Scots, Welsh & Irish players as well.

True. Just have to accept that we are just half decent at the moment.

Aidan11 wrote:

shankycricket wrote:I'd also impose a "maximum of 4 overseas players" rule on teams in the EPL like we have in the IPL.

We can't because of EU rules.

Means and ways round it.

Personally i'd revamp the EPPP to ensure clubs who produce England players at youth level get financially rewarded in doing so, akin to domestic cricket. Rather than the Premier League dishing out all revenue to top flight clubs, they should hold a portion of it and make payments to clubs across the League Pyramid based on producing players who go on to play for England from schoolboy level to the senior team.

would that not just further inflate the prices charged for young English players? Pardew buys French, because he can 3 players for the price of 1 English prospect.

Seems to me that the way to improve the numbers of young English players playing in English football clubs is to find a way to make them more financially attractive than an equivalent overseas player

Alviro Patterson wrote:

Aidan11 wrote:

shankycricket wrote:I'd also impose a "maximum of 4 overseas players" rule on teams in the EPL like we have in the IPL.

We can't because of EU rules.

Means and ways round it.

Personally i'd revamp the EPPP to ensure clubs who produce England players at youth level get financially rewarded in doing so, akin to domestic cricket. Rather than the Premier League dishing out all revenue to top flight clubs, they should hold a portion of it and make payments to clubs across the League Pyramid based on producing players who go on to play for England from schoolboy level to the senior team.

Any indication that having foreign players makes a difference on international success? Any evidence?

sussexpob wrote:

Alviro Patterson wrote:

Aidan11 wrote:

shankycricket wrote:I'd also impose a "maximum of 4 overseas players" rule on teams in the EPL like we have in the IPL.

We can't because of EU rules.

Means and ways round it.

Personally i'd revamp the EPPP to ensure clubs who produce England players at youth level get financially rewarded in doing so, akin to domestic cricket. Rather than the Premier League dishing out all revenue to top flight clubs, they should hold a portion of it and make payments to clubs across the League Pyramid based on producing players who go on to play for England from schoolboy level to the senior team.

Any indication that having foreign players makes a difference on international success? Any evidence?

Increasing the talent pool means a greater chance of finding a top class natural left sided midfielder, a right back better than Glen Johnson, some goalkeepers to seriously challenge Joe Hart and strikers who know where the back of the net is.

Improving grass roots will change sod all, look at players like Luke Shaw, he looks a cert to move to Man United, where he will be in and out of the side and his career will stall.

Jack Rodwell and Adam Johnson are the most recent examples of talented players who have wasted their talents by moving to a "big" club

The divide betwen the top 4/5 sides and the rest is what kills English football.

SaintPowelly wrote:Improving grass roots will change sod all, look at players like Luke Shaw, he looks a cert to move to Man United, where he will be in and out of the side and his career will stall.

Jack Rodwell and Adam Johnson are the most recent examples of talented players who have wasted their talents by moving to a "big" club

The divide betwen the top 4/5 sides and the rest is what kills English football.

There's plenty of other talented players who have moved to a bigger club and played regularly there.

dan08 wrote:

SaintPowelly wrote:Improving grass roots will change sod all, look at players like Luke Shaw, he looks a cert to move to Man United, where he will be in and out of the side and his career will stall.

Jack Rodwell and Adam Johnson are the most recent examples of talented players who have wasted their talents by moving to a "big" club

The divide betwen the top 4/5 sides and the rest is what kills English football.

There's plenty of other talented players who have moved to a bigger club and played regularly there.

The ratio is very small.

SaintPowelly wrote:Improving grass roots will change sod all, look at players like Luke Shaw, he looks a cert to move to Man United, where he will be in and out of the side and his career will stall.

Jack Rodwell and Adam Johnson are the most recent examples of talented players who have wasted their talents by moving to a "big" club

The divide betwen the top 4/5 sides and the rest is what kills English football.

This is replicated at youth team level a million times over. Some young prospect does well at a Football League Club, gets snapped up by one of the big clubs for training compensation and more often than not is released before even signing professional terms let alone making their first team debut. Also those big clubs are signing youth team players from abroad, that practice should be stopped. You could argue Man Utd's demise is not prioritising their youth team like they used to do (i.e. Class of 92).

With Premier League revenues at £3 Billion as of last season, just earmarking 5% of that for youth development in the Football League and professional Conference Clubs will make a huge difference (£1.562 Million per club, which is probably the average annual salary of one mid-table Premier League side) Obviously award the money through meeting criteria rather than hand the money straight out. In turn clubs who prioritise their youth team get rewarded, the English league pyramid becomes stronger and in 8 years England will win the World Cup in Qatar as aimed for by *modded* van Dyke.

Alviro Patterson wrote:

SaintPowelly wrote:Improving grass roots will change sod all, look at players like Luke Shaw, he looks a cert to move to Man United, where he will be in and out of the side and his career will stall.

Jack Rodwell and Adam Johnson are the most recent examples of talented players who have wasted their talents by moving to a "big" club

The divide betwen the top 4/5 sides and the rest is what kills English football.

This is replicated at youth team level a million times over. Some young prospect does well at a Football League Club, gets snapped up by one of the big clubs for training compensation and more often than not is released before even signing professional terms let alone making their first team debut. Also those big clubs are signing youth team players from abroad, that practice should be stopped. You could argue Man Utd's demise is not prioritising their youth team like they used to do (i.e. Class of 92).

With Premier League revenues at £3 Billion as of last season, just earmarking 5% of that for youth development in the Football League and professional Conference Clubs will make a huge difference (£1.562 Million per club, which is probably the average annual salary of one mid-table Premier League side) Obviously award the money through meeting criteria rather than hand the money straight out. In turn clubs who prioritise their youth team get rewarded, the English league pyramid becomes stronger and in 8 years England will win the World Cup in Qatar as aimed for by *modded* van Dyke.

Again, look at Adam Lallana, has any English player had a better season than him ?? ( other than Sturridge ), yet he sits on the bench to accommodate Welbeck who cant get in a struggling Man U side and Sterling who is miles from being ready, but plays for Liverpool.

The divide between the top 4 and the rest is the immediate problem.

That favouritism has gone for ages. That said more players outside the Elite are playing for England, probably since under Capello.