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Re: Football league 2014/15

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 12:40 pm
by Alviro Patterson
Poor Nigel Clough out of a job after being sacked at Sheffield United. If a 5th place finish in a fiercely competitive league and reaching the League Cup semi-finals is deemed as a sackable offence, then professional football might as well go into extinction.

Re: Football league 2014/15

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 12:51 pm
by SaintPowelly
Alviro Patterson wrote:Poor Nigel Clough out of a job after being sacked at Sheffield United. If a 5th place finish in a fiercely competitive league and reaching the League Cup semi-finals is deemed as a sackable offence, then professional football might as well go into extinction.


He was probably told at the start of the season that promotion was his only aim, his own fault if he prioritized cup over league.

Re: Football league 2014/15

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 1:05 pm
by st_brendy
Alviro Patterson wrote:Poor Nigel Clough out of a job after being sacked at Sheffield United. If a 5th place finish in a fiercely competitive league and reaching the League Cup semi-finals is deemed as a sackable offence, then professional football might as well go into extinction.


A club as big as Sheff Utd should not be in L1. He's been given a reasonable amount of time to get them out of the league, and has failed. Someone else's turn.

Makes perfect sense to me.

For similar reasons, I would not be surprised if Derby let McClaren go. "You've had your chance. Now it's someone else's turn to achieve our goal".

Re: Football league 2014/15

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 1:10 pm
by sussexpob
st_brendy wrote:
Alviro Patterson wrote:Poor Nigel Clough out of a job after being sacked at Sheffield United. If a 5th place finish in a fiercely competitive league and reaching the League Cup semi-finals is deemed as a sackable offence, then professional football might as well go into extinction.


A club as big as Sheff Utd should not be in L1. He's been given a reasonable amount of time to get them out of the league, and has failed. Someone else's turn.

Makes perfect sense to me.

For similar reasons, I would not be surprised if Derby let McClaren go. "You've had your chance. Now it's someone else's turn to achieve our goal".


:thumb

Re: Football league 2014/15

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 3:00 pm
by Alviro Patterson
st_brendy wrote:
Alviro Patterson wrote:Poor Nigel Clough out of a job after being sacked at Sheffield United. If a 5th place finish in a fiercely competitive league and reaching the League Cup semi-finals is deemed as a sackable offence, then professional football might as well go into extinction.


A club as big as Sheff Utd should not be in L1. He's been given a reasonable amount of time to get them out of the league, and has failed. Someone else's turn.

Makes perfect sense to me.

For similar reasons, I would not be surprised if Derby let McClaren go. "You've had your chance. Now it's someone else's turn to achieve our goal".


19 months at the job, half of which was spent avoiding relegation to League 2 is not a reasonable amount of time to win promotion to the Championship. If promotion was ever going to be a requirement it would be next season, where Nigel has already laid out a platform. No doubt the next manager will want to implement his own squad and ideas, which is likely to take time to come into fruititon.

Time will tell who will be the next Sheffield United manager. Unless if it is a manager who has a track record of winning promotion in a short time frame (Nigel Adkins or Steve Evans), Sheffield United being involved in another relegation battle can not be ruled out due to the competitive nature of League 1.

Re: Football league 2014/15

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 3:26 pm
by st_brendy
Alviro Patterson wrote:
st_brendy wrote:
Alviro Patterson wrote:Poor Nigel Clough out of a job after being sacked at Sheffield United. If a 5th place finish in a fiercely competitive league and reaching the League Cup semi-finals is deemed as a sackable offence, then professional football might as well go into extinction.


A club as big as Sheff Utd should not be in L1. He's been given a reasonable amount of time to get them out of the league, and has failed. Someone else's turn.

Makes perfect sense to me.

For similar reasons, I would not be surprised if Derby let McClaren go. "You've had your chance. Now it's someone else's turn to achieve our goal".


19 months at the job, half of which was spent avoiding relegation to League 2 is not a reasonable amount of time to win promotion to the Championship. If promotion was ever going to be a requirement it would be next season, where Nigel has already laid out a platform. No doubt the next manager will want to implement his own squad and ideas, which is likely to take time to come into fruititon.

Time will tell who will be the next Sheffield United manager. Unless if it is a manager who has a track record of winning promotion in a short time frame (Nigel Adkins or Steve Evans), Sheffield United being involved in another relegation battle can not be ruled out due to the competitive nature of League 1.


7 months to look at your squad and start to get your ideas across. A summer transfer window. A full season to have a go at promotion. Yep, when you're a big fish in a small pond, that is reasonable enough time in my book.

We kicked Pardew out after just one L1 season, and he even had the excuse of us starting on -10 and having had no prior time managing the team. And what a fantastic decision it turned out to be.

Re: Football league 2014/15

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 3:26 pm
by sussexpob
Norwich unleashing the beast here

Re: Football league 2014/15

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 4:55 pm
by Gingerfinch
Norwich go up. Let's be avin em.

Re: Football league 2014/15

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 4:59 pm
by Alviro Patterson
st_brendy wrote:
Alviro Patterson wrote:
st_brendy wrote:
Alviro Patterson wrote:Poor Nigel Clough out of a job after being sacked at Sheffield United. If a 5th place finish in a fiercely competitive league and reaching the League Cup semi-finals is deemed as a sackable offence, then professional football might as well go into extinction.


A club as big as Sheff Utd should not be in L1. He's been given a reasonable amount of time to get them out of the league, and has failed. Someone else's turn.

Makes perfect sense to me.

For similar reasons, I would not be surprised if Derby let McClaren go. "You've had your chance. Now it's someone else's turn to achieve our goal".


19 months at the job, half of which was spent avoiding relegation to League 2 is not a reasonable amount of time to win promotion to the Championship. If promotion was ever going to be a requirement it would be next season, where Nigel has already laid out a platform. No doubt the next manager will want to implement his own squad and ideas, which is likely to take time to come into fruititon.

Time will tell who will be the next Sheffield United manager. Unless if it is a manager who has a track record of winning promotion in a short time frame (Nigel Adkins or Steve Evans), Sheffield United being involved in another relegation battle can not be ruled out due to the competitive nature of League 1.


7 months to look at your squad and start to get your ideas across. A summer transfer window. A full season to have a go at promotion. Yep, when you're a big fish in a small pond, that is reasonable enough time in my book.

We kicked Pardew out after just one L1 season, and he even had the excuse of us starting on -10 and having had no prior time managing the team. And what a fantastic decision it turned out to be.


Not when Clough's remit at the time was avoid relegation and Sheffield United spent much of 2013-14 in and around the relegation zone.

By November only Bristol City, Swindon, Preston and MK Dons had any chance of automatic promotion. Sheffield United at best could finish 5th and did just that on the back of three cup runs, a hectic fixture list towards the business end of the season and against 8 or so clubs who were firmly in playoff contention by Easter Weekend.

What Southampton have done in the last five years should be used to aspire other similar sized clubs, not set an example. There are a dozen or so clubs in League One who are capable of promotion in their own rights.

Re: Football league 2014/15

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 5:14 pm
by SaintPowelly
The thing that your not grasing AP, is you don't know what Clough was told when he got the job, if he was told that he MUST win promotion ( like Pardew was ) and he focused his energy on cups intsead, then thats his fault and he deserves to go.

Re: Football league 2014/15

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 5:18 pm
by st_brendy
Alviro Patterson wrote:
st_brendy wrote:
Alviro Patterson wrote:
st_brendy wrote:
Alviro Patterson wrote:Poor Nigel Clough out of a job after being sacked at Sheffield United. If a 5th place finish in a fiercely competitive league and reaching the League Cup semi-finals is deemed as a sackable offence, then professional football might as well go into extinction.


A club as big as Sheff Utd should not be in L1. He's been given a reasonable amount of time to get them out of the league, and has failed. Someone else's turn.

Makes perfect sense to me.

For similar reasons, I would not be surprised if Derby let McClaren go. "You've had your chance. Now it's someone else's turn to achieve our goal".


19 months at the job, half of which was spent avoiding relegation to League 2 is not a reasonable amount of time to win promotion to the Championship. If promotion was ever going to be a requirement it would be next season, where Nigel has already laid out a platform. No doubt the next manager will want to implement his own squad and ideas, which is likely to take time to come into fruititon.

Time will tell who will be the next Sheffield United manager. Unless if it is a manager who has a track record of winning promotion in a short time frame (Nigel Adkins or Steve Evans), Sheffield United being involved in another relegation battle can not be ruled out due to the competitive nature of League 1.


7 months to look at your squad and start to get your ideas across. A summer transfer window. A full season to have a go at promotion. Yep, when you're a big fish in a small pond, that is reasonable enough time in my book.

We kicked Pardew out after just one L1 season, and he even had the excuse of us starting on -10 and having had no prior time managing the team. And what a fantastic decision it turned out to be.


Not when Clough's remit at the time was avoid relegation and Sheffield United spent much of 2013-14 in and around the relegation zone.

By November only Bristol City, Swindon, Preston and MK Dons had any chance of automatic promotion. Sheffield United at best could finish 5th and did just that on the back of three cup runs, a hectic fixture list towards the business end of the season and against 8 or so clubs who were firmly in playoff contention by Easter Weekend.

What Southampton have done in the last five years should be used to aspire other similar sized clubs, not set an example. There are a dozen or so clubs in League One who are capable of promotion in their own rights.


That's not something to be proud of!

Missing out on automatic promotion on the final day, for example, is one thing. Being out of the race by as early as November is quite another!! One could argue that he's been lucky to survive this long, on that basis. (Not me, I agree that the board were right to stick with him given that the play-offs could have brought promotion)

I would be amazed if the board didn't tell him at the start of the season that promotion was the goal. Sheff Utd are simply too big for L1.

Re: Football league 2014/15

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 6:04 pm
by st_brendy
What was I saying? McClaren has been sacked by Derby.

Re: Football league 2014/15

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 6:06 pm
by Aidan11
So that's Clough back to Derby, McClaren to Newcastle and Big Sam to Sheff Utd.

:fight

Re: Football league 2014/15

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 7:39 pm
by sussexpob
Norwich were exceptional today. Defended superbly, and killed the game of with ruthless intent early. Middlesbrough's nerves got the better of them at the start, and they were punished. It was a replay in opposite of the league match last month.

Alex Reid has done an amazing job, interesting to see what he does in the Premier League......

Norwich and Bournemouth have two of the most exciting young coaches in football, so relegation might be a real battle next year.