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Re: Women's football

Postby sussexpob » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:17 am

The BBC has been criticized for being left wing, which was maybe a little valid until recently, when its clearly backed into pressures of not being "patriotic" or what not, and clearly now carries a lot of articles straight out the right wing propaganda text book.

Not sure about the women and minority race thing either; look at the published list of their pay to women and men. Its pretty depressing for those who care about equality.
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Re: Women's football

Postby sussexpob » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:17 am

The BBC has been criticized for being left wing, which was maybe a little valid until recently, when its clearly backed into pressures of not being "patriotic" or what not, and clearly now carries a lot of articles straight out the right wing propaganda text book.

Not sure about the women and minority race thing either; look at the published list of their pay to women and men. Its pretty depressing for those who care about equality.
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Re: Women's football

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:24 am

I saw they had some cycling on from somewhere yesterday, again presented by a woman.

I'm sure the pay scales for the ordinary BBC employee are the same for men and women. The differences might come from those that are on negotiated salaries and essentially pay equates to how big a star you are not your gender.

The recent change of bias may have been a result of complaints made by Tory MPs I believe, I'm sure the organisation will revert to type in due course!

Probably worse is Sky using women for their looks more than their brains on Sky Sports. I get embarrassed by the way they stumble through some of the sports news stories at times.
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Re: Women's football

Postby Durhamfootman » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:31 pm

The women's football league is to be restructured, with all teams having to apply to be in the WSL1. Criteria for inclusion includes fully professional status for the players, academies and such like.

This comes shortly after Sunderland downgraded their players to semi-pro only and ejected them from their training and playing facilities to save money. Looks like they won't be in next years shiny new 14 team 1st div
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Re: Women's football

Postby Alviro Patterson » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:30 pm

Durhamfootman wrote:The women's football league is to be restructured, with all teams having to apply to be in the WSL1. Criteria for inclusion includes fully professional status for the players, academies and such like.

This comes shortly after Sunderland downgraded their players to semi-pro only and ejected them from their training and playing facilities to save money. Looks like they won't be in next years shiny new 14 team 1st div


Reading about Sunderland women's restructure, it seems full time football was not viable with players holding steady jobs. While moving to new training facilities and stadium are down to previous facilities being unavailable in the winter months due to age group football activities.

WSL moving to a winter sport and the top division being full time may improve playing standards and the national team, but stifles long term expansion of the women's game and denies talented part-time players who value their day jobs the chance to play at the highest level. Yeovil Town ladies need £350k per year if they want to remain a WSL club under new proposals, a large outlay for non-league football and a lower football league side does not have that kind of spare money lying about.

Realistically football teams who can achieve full time status in WSL1 are either those who are a subsidary of a Premier League team or have a wealthy benefactor.
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Re: Women's football

Postby Durhamfootman » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:06 pm

If Mike Ashley sells NUFC, he might be the go to guy to fund a WSL1 bid by Durham Women :hide

perhaps this is the real reason why Amanda Stavely (someone that I'd never heard of before today) was in the northeast. She was really checking out Durham Women on behalf of her £28Billion consortium of middle east investors, and only popped over to SJP to watch a game of footy because she had nothing better to do for a couple of hours. :dunno
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Re: Women's football

Postby mikesiva » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:43 pm

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mikesiva wrote:Exactly. Sampson clearly has history. They should never have hired him in the first place. He clearly was behaving the same way he did at Bristol academy. Aluko wasn't the only black player to file complaints against him. Sanderson and one other had done so. Sampson had to go.


Sanderson, to my knowledge, has never made any complaints regarding these allegations. She refused to give evidence in the independant investigation of racial allegations, and has stated that her main grievance is not specific to Sampson, but that his whole coaching setup and the FA as a whole are quite unapproachable regarding criticism on how the team is run. Worth noting, she only became outspoken on the issue, by her own admission, when she was upset that the team didnt acknowledge her 50th cap, and the occasion was not given the gravity she craved, leading to her taking the issue up with Sampson directly. Interesting that, in the womens game this is representative of systematic bullying, in the mans game when Yaya Toure did something similar, he was a laughing stock for being such a self-centered prat.

As for his behaviour at Bristol, all we know is that an investigation took place after an allegation, and that investigation found he had no case to answer, neither towards the safeguarding policy of the club, or as the FA have said yesterday, in law. The FA simply think that, despite the inference of being not guilty for further action, his conduct was inappropriate and worth sacking. What that conduct was is yet to be released, comments relating to him "behaving the same way at Bristol" have no factual basis. The only inference we can take from this is, whatever occurred, he didnt break the law or any social policy put to protect the players from abuse. Thinking as to possible examples, he might have shouted at a player but was found not to be abusive. He could have had fully consensual sex with one of his squad. What this isnt saying, at any level, is he made racist comments, as my understanding is such conduct would be illegal and worthy of further punishment.

The third player you mention, Drew Spence, has made an allegation about the fact that Sampson, on meeting her for the first time, joked "how many times have you been arrested, four?". The apparent scandal here is that the allegations were ignored, and that the independent inquiry did not consult her directly. Bizarrely, the meeting she claims to have been racially insulted in was filmed, the filmed has been reviewed as part of the investigations. The comment was not picked up as part of that recording. The "cover up" allegations seem to view this as a failure for the investigator to have interviewed those present in the meeting to confirm or deny the comment was made, but if the said meeting was filmed, why would the investigator need to ask the others in the room what they heard? Seems a bizarre course to take, I appreciate in both ways. It would have been sensible maybe to interview those present, but hardly terminal to the investigation when those presents opinion on what is said is surely dramatically evidentially inferior to a perfect recording of what occurred?

Worth noting that Spence and Aluko are friends and team mates.

The FA have clearly messed up, and maybe Sampson could have been persuaded to quit on better terms with a pay out in order to end it all, but none of that would change the fact that two separate investigations, one made independently away from a possible cover up (the current third investigation is being done by the same person, so there seems no problem with the investigator being made) have found he is not guilty. And that the smoking gun in Bristol, at the moment, also indicates that he was found not guilty of whatever allegation was made.

He is essentially a three times proven innocent man thus far. I dont think its sensible, until contrary evidence surfaces, that we should tear him apart on these boards. Allegations can be made easily, if unproven, they are simply hot air.


An independent investigation has concluded that Mark Sampson, the former manager of the England women’s football team, did make racially discriminatory comments to players Eni Aluko and Drew Spence.

Barrister Katharine Newton concluded that Sampson was guilty of “ill-judged attempts at humour” in telling Aluko to make sure her family did not bring the Ebola virus to Wembley, and in enquiring whether Spence had been arrested before.

The Football Association has offered “sincere” apologies to both players, concluding that the remarks by Sampson - who was sacked last month over separate allegations of “inappropriate conduct” in a previous job at Bristol Academy - were “not acceptable”. FA chief executive Martin Glenn, chairman Greg Clarke, technical director Dan Ashworth and HR director Rachel Brace are all due to be grilled by MPs on the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee later today.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 07001.html

That, along with the mind-boggling dropping of one of your best players, Anita Asante, as well as the non-selection of experienced veteran Rachel Yankey, makes me wonder if Sampson was white-washing the team....
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Re: Women's football

Postby sussexpob » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:57 pm

Ill look forward to reading the report and finding out what reason Newton gives for changing her mind. According to the statement, it would seem its on the basis of what three people reported he said in a room, while in the original report a video and sound recording of the same meeting was found to contain no such evidence.

The public wanted blood, maybe they got it in place of actual justice. It certainly makes no sense to me until I read it in detail.
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Re: Women's football

Postby Durhamfootman » Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:43 pm

England lose to France in yesterdy's friendly. 1-0, 86th minute. Poor game by the sound of it
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