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Re: Women's football

Postby Durhamfootman » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:10 pm

all the way through it has smelt like a cover up, to me. Particularly given that they gave Aluko £80k to keep her mouth shut
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Re: Women's football

Postby mikesiva » Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:40 am

Exactly. Sampson clearly has history. They should never have hired him in the first place. He clearly was behaving the same way he did at Bristol academy. Aluko wasn't the only black player to file complaints against him. Sanderson and one other had done so.

Sampson had to go.
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Re: Women's football

Postby Gingerfinch » Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:47 am

Sampson looks like a bit of a d..k and it looks like he acts like one.
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Re: Women's football

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:22 am

What's all this inappropriate behaviour with 16 to 19 year old girls running around in shorts?!

Team talks in the showers?!
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Re: Women's football

Postby Durhamfootman » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:21 am

at least we won't have to watch him bursting the seams of unfeasibly tight shirts, or listen to him disrespecting the managers of the opposition
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Re: Women's football

Postby sussexpob » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:40 pm

mikesiva wrote:Exactly. Sampson clearly has history. They should never have hired him in the first place. He clearly was behaving the same way he did at Bristol academy. Aluko wasn't the only black player to file complaints against him. Sanderson and one other had done so. Sampson had to go.


Sanderson, to my knowledge, has never made any complaints regarding these allegations. She refused to give evidence in the independant investigation of racial allegations, and has stated that her main grievance is not specific to Sampson, but that his whole coaching setup and the FA as a whole are quite unapproachable regarding criticism on how the team is run. Worth noting, she only became outspoken on the issue, by her own admission, when she was upset that the team didnt acknowledge her 50th cap, and the occasion was not given the gravity she craved, leading to her taking the issue up with Sampson directly. Interesting that, in the womens game this is representative of systematic bullying, in the mans game when Yaya Toure did something similar, he was a laughing stock for being such a self-centered prat.

As for his behaviour at Bristol, all we know is that an investigation took place after an allegation, and that investigation found he had no case to answer, neither towards the safeguarding policy of the club, or as the FA have said yesterday, in law. The FA simply think that, despite the inference of being not guilty for further action, his conduct was inappropriate and worth sacking. What that conduct was is yet to be released, comments relating to him "behaving the same way at Bristol" have no factual basis. The only inference we can take from this is, whatever occurred, he didnt break the law or any social policy put to protect the players from abuse. Thinking as to possible examples, he might have shouted at a player but was found not to be abusive. He could have had fully consensual sex with one of his squad. What this isnt saying, at any level, is he made racist comments, as my understanding is such conduct would be illegal and worthy of further punishment.

The third player you mention, Drew Spence, has made an allegation about the fact that Sampson, on meeting her for the first time, joked "how many times have you been arrested, four?". The apparent scandal here is that the allegations were ignored, and that the independent inquiry did not consult her directly. Bizarrely, the meeting she claims to have been racially insulted in was filmed, the filmed has been reviewed as part of the investigations. The comment was not picked up as part of that recording. The "cover up" allegations seem to view this as a failure for the investigator to have interviewed those present in the meeting to confirm or deny the comment was made, but if the said meeting was filmed, why would the investigator need to ask the others in the room what they heard? Seems a bizarre course to take, I appreciate in both ways. It would have been sensible maybe to interview those present, but hardly terminal to the investigation when those presents opinion on what is said is surely dramatically evidentially inferior to a perfect recording of what occurred?

Worth noting that Spence and Aluko are friends and team mates.

The FA have clearly messed up, and maybe Sampson could have been persuaded to quit on better terms with a pay out in order to end it all, but none of that would change the fact that two separate investigations, one made independently away from a possible cover up (the current third investigation is being done by the same person, so there seems no problem with the investigator being made) have found he is not guilty. And that the smoking gun in Bristol, at the moment, also indicates that he was found not guilty of whatever allegation was made.

He is essentially a three times proven innocent man thus far. I dont think its sensible, until contrary evidence surfaces, that we should tear him apart on these boards. Allegations can be made easily, if unproven, they are simply hot air.
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Re: Women's football

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:20 pm

I think it must be a sexual relationship with one or more of the girls he coached at Bristol.

Not a criminal action as I understand the girls are aged between 16 and 19, but maybe deemed inappropriate in the position he was in, a bit like a teacher and a sixth form student.

Who knows, it's all conjecture, but I'm the same as you Sussex, not been found guilty of racism or bullying, yet, so it's all a bit odd.
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Re: Women's football

Postby Durhamfootman » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:04 pm

it isn't that odd. The issue just won't go away whatever the ins and outs of the allegations, reports, enquiries etc. The fact that previous posts he's held are now being questioned, just shows that the press think there is a story there and they'll keep digging and digging until they get their man.

Under these circumstances his position becomes untenable, imo

It's certainly better for the FA if he goes now, probably better for England, and perhaps better for him too to be out of the public eye for a while
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Re: Women's football

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:20 pm

I can't understand why it's such a big deal anyway, it's only women's football after all.

We all know they should all be at home making the dinner and bringing up the kids.

Too much women's sport in the media and on telly mostly forced upon us by the bloody left wing BBC, who pro actively shove woman's sport down our throats.
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Re: Women's football

Postby andy » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:23 pm

cant tell if your being serious or not...
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Re: Women's football

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:04 pm

Partially yes, but only to get my annoyance across at those medalling do gooders at the BBC who think we're all interested in minority sport, and women's sport must be pushed to ridiculous levels.

And the fact that there are much more serious cover ups going on around the world than this petty saga.
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Re: Women's football

Postby Durhamfootman » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:45 pm

you see, I disagree with you there. I think it is absolutely the duty of a public service broadcaster to promote women's sports and minority sports.
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Re: Women's football

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:53 pm

Surely its their duty to present balanced coverage and not promote anything whatsoever.
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Re: Women's football

Postby Durhamfootman » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:57 pm

Balanced news coverage, certainly.... and politics too. Not sure that applies to sport. Commercial broadcasters will cover all the lucrative stuff, so it's up to the public service broadcaster to televise the rest, imo
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Re: Women's football

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:07 pm

Some criticism, especially in recent times, that there is a left wing political bias.

They certainly seem to pro actively appoint women and minority races to their presenting positions, shouldn't it be best person for the job regardless of sex and skin colour, but I sense that doesn't happen.
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