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Re: Random footie

Postby sussexpob » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:26 am

yuppie wrote:Interested to hear peoples thoughts on who has been England best strikers in the last 20 years?

For me it would be Shearer, Owen at his peak and Sherringham. Rooney has the goals record but was he more important than any of those three?

He was obviously a very good player, but his WC record is not good.


A fit Owen would have better them all I hazard to guess, but he was shot by his mid 20s. Shearer was a beast, but only played just over 50 caps, surprisingly.
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Re: Random footie

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:03 pm

Rooney charged with drink driving after being stopped at 2am this morning.

Probably wishes he hadn't retired from international football as he'd have been in Malta last night.

The twat.
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Re: Random footie

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:06 pm

perhaps he can persuade them that his cat was in trouble

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Re: Random footie

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:14 pm

I think Ronaldo is still at RM, so I guess he persuaded them to clear his tax fraud account for him

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Re: Random footie

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:27 pm

Durhamfootman wrote:I think Ronaldo is still at RM, so I guess he persuaded them to clear his tax fraud account for him

another twat

They can probably afford it, they haven't been paying much tax themselves over the years.
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Re: Random footie

Postby yuppie » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:04 pm

budgetmeansbudget wrote:
Durhamfootman wrote:I think Ronaldo is still at RM, so I guess he persuaded them to clear his tax fraud account for him

another twat

They can probably afford it, they haven't been paying much tax themselves over the years.



Was it Real that got bailed out by the goverment?

It has been strange that whilst Spain has been suffering economically, the top teams have been able to spend big wads of cash whilst their top players have seemed to enjoy avoiding paying tax.
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Re: Random footie

Postby sussexpob » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:37 pm

As far as I understand, the Spanish tax system is incredibly complex for earnings from foreign workers (trust me, from experience). In the 2000s, they brought in "the Beckham law", when times were economically excellent, in order to attract growth foreign workers paid something like a top rate tax of 23% on earnings with no higher ceiling. When times got bad, they hurried in a change to stop it, but it left an incredibly vague and nuanced system that they are still trying to work out. Of course with anything to do with tax, people will exploit it, but in this case it seems that (a) no evidence suggests that footballers are attempting, or have been successful, at avoiding/evading tax on their salaried income (b) the problem comes in how foreign earnings outside Spain should be assessed.

I think the fooballers argument, one that I am actually quite sensitive to, is that they may play in Spain, but they are global figures that generate money all over the world. The Spanish Governments view are, they were those boots in Spain, so if they want to make money marketing them, then that money is generated inside Spain. A middle ground hasnt really been worked out. So, if you live in Spain, but sell a product in Argentina where you were born, where is that money being "made". In Argentina or Spain?
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Re: Random footie

Postby sussexpob » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:57 pm

As for the government bail out, again its not an easy answer, but personally I think the whole deal stunk.

In order to understand the nature of it, you first have to consider the fact that a lot of European clubs are not only football clubs, they are sporting and social clubs that have many entities. The biggest examples are Barcelona and Real, basketball is a huge deal in Spain and these clubs own and run hugely popular basketball wings too, as well as other sports like hockey, swimming, athletics. Its common in Spain, and also Eastern Europe a lot.

Real used to own a complex in the city that was given to them by the local council decades ago. This was on the basis that the land used to build the complex was used for such sporting purposes, so the football team train there, but also the basketball team play there, 40,000 people swim there a day, there are gyms for public use, there are open public parks for people to walk through etc. The whole complex is seen as being part of the community, and represents the whole sporting output of the city in all strands of sport. However, the land is strictly designated for non-profit, to stop the club receiving it and then simply shafting the public.

By the turn of the millennium the club was in crappy financial position, the training ground had been swallowed by the urban sprawl of the capital, and the area had become a huge financial and commercial district with land hugely sought after. The council, pressured by the club who were desperate to sell for the cash, had a vote to rezone the land so that it could be used for commercial reasons in the future. This motion passed, with the club giving the council a portion of the land as part of the deal.

The land was sold, and it made Madrid eye watering cash amounts. Something like an estimated 700-800 million. Ironically, the Madrid president owned construction companies that contracted the building of a series of skyscrapers on the land too. As part of the deal to give the council part of the land, the council substituted that land for fresh stuff to build a new training and sporting complex outside the city.

As part of the deal, the council rated the land at something peasly, like 500,000EURs despite Real building the worlds biggest sporting complex within it. Subsequent valuations had rated it in multiple excess of it, millions of euros. The EU courts ended up forcing Real to pay money on the under valuation of the land, but it was like 10 million EURs, it didnt come close to the actual value. So essentially, since the 60s the council have given madrid the best part of a billion Euros in land and saleable assets.

The deal is untouchable though as the sporting complex being for the public still maintains the fact the council were working in the interest of the public
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Re: Random footie

Postby Alviro Patterson » Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:16 pm

Durhamfootman wrote:perhaps he can persuade them that his cat was in trouble

Swanny'll tell him what to say


Better than that

Since Rooney was allegedly driving a VW Beetle at the time of the offence, he can say Herbie was doing the driving.
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Re: Random footie

Postby yuppie » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:56 pm

La Liga now wanting Uefa to check out Man City for their finacial dealings.

La Liga getting worried that their influence in the European game is now starting to wane a little?

Perhaps the other leagues can ask Uefa to investigate how many doping samples were taking in La Liga for last season?
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Re: Random footie

Postby Durhamfootman » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:25 pm

just found out that England are to close the transfer window before the season starts

makes sense to me, but not sure how practical it will be, given that the rest of Europe will still be doing deals
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Re: Random footie

Postby Aidan11 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:12 pm

Can this man ever get in toych with real life?

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Re: Random footie

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:23 pm

budgetmeansbudget wrote:Rooney charged with drink driving after being stopped at 2am this morning.

Probably wishes he hadn't retired from international football as he'd have been in Malta last night.

The twat.

2 year ban.

170 quid fine.

100 hours community service.

Any suggestions what he can do?!
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Re: Random footie

Postby Aidan11 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:42 pm

He can't have employed the solicitor known as Mr Loophole.

He gets everyone off.
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Re: Random footie

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:55 pm

Aidan11 wrote:He can't have employed the solicitor known as Mr Loophole.

He gets everyone off.

3 times over the limit!

Apparently he was going to be doing his community service at a local old folks home, but concern was raised that he'd try to jump some of them.
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