NZ tour of England 2021.

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Re: NZ tour of England 2021.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:16 am

I guess Overton will come in for Robinson. Possibility that one of A&B will be rested. Or that Leach will come in anyway.
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Re: NZ tour of England 2021.

Postby Durhamfootman » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:01 am

bigfluffylemon wrote:I don't know why we persist in playing 2 test series against New Zealand. They're a very good side. They deserve longer series. Unfortunately, I suspect the answer lies purely in cash - a NZ series won't draw the viewing figures that Australia, India or Pakistan will.

I think NZ benefit from these short series, at least as far as test championship ranking points go

but I agree with you. 2 test series are just a nonsense really..... sort of thing you do with Zimbabwe merely to fulfil the minimum number of matches on a TV contract
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Re: NZ tour of England 2021.

Postby captaincolly » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:37 pm

According to George Dobell another player in the England squad could be in trouble over offensive tweets of a racist & homophobic nature. Cricinfo haven't named the player who was under 16 when he posted the tweets but Dobell thinks he likely to face disciplinary action.
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Re: NZ tour of England 2021.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:46 pm

Reading BBC comments, seems many are happy to believe Robinson is being victimised for the understandable and far from uncommon folly of youth. PM Johnson is surfing this wave too.
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Re: NZ tour of England 2021.

Postby Durhamfootman » Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:03 pm

captaincolly wrote:According to George Dobell another player in the England squad could be in trouble over offensive tweets of a racist & homophobic nature. Cricinfo haven't named the player who was under 16 when he posted the tweets but Dobell thinks he likely to face disciplinary action.

If he was under 16 he'll get away with it. It's different when you're 19
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Re: NZ tour of England 2021.

Postby captaincolly » Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:22 pm

Durhamfootman wrote:
captaincolly wrote:According to George Dobell another player in the England squad could be in trouble over offensive tweets of a racist & homophobic nature. Cricinfo haven't named the player who was under 16 when he posted the tweets but Dobell thinks he likely to face disciplinary action.

If he was under 16 he'll get away with it. It's different when you're 19

Yes, Dobell mentioned that his age at the time could be a factor. It seems though as if the ECB may be embarrassed again because I did a quick twitter search and ,if the player is who I'm fairly sure it must be, it's unfortunate timing.
Haven't seen the tweets in question but some posts suggest they are not as bad as the Robinson ones.
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Re: NZ tour of England 2021.

Postby bigfluffylemon » Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:07 am

While I have a modicum of sympathy for the 'folly of youth' argument (i.e. who didn't do or say something when young trying to be funny/impress your mates that you now regret), how do the youth (or anyone) learn to be better if there are no consequences for their actions? Do nothing, and all you teach people is that it doesn't matter what you say, provided you become important enough you can get away with it (as many politicians appear to be demonstrating).

It's not fully about the individuals involved. It's about a message. How many women or non-white cricketers in clubs all over England have seen these tweets and felt that cricket is unwelcoming and bigoted? How many have endured similar comments from other club members over the years, even if it is a long time ago? Acting sends a message not just to the individuals involved but anyone playing in a cricket club anywhere - this sort of behaviour can not be tolerated.
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Re: NZ tour of England 2021.

Postby yuppie » Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:04 am

It seems that English cricket might have a bit of an underlying problem with the culture of elite cricket in the country.
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Re: NZ tour of England 2021.

Postby bigfluffylemon » Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:57 pm

yuppie wrote:It seems that English cricket might have a bit of an underlying problem with the culture of elite cricket in the country.


Indeed, yes. Puts everyone in a tough position, but surely you have to act consistently?
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Re: NZ tour of England 2021.

Postby yuppie » Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:20 am

bigfluffylemon wrote:
yuppie wrote:It seems that English cricket might have a bit of an underlying problem with the culture of elite cricket in the country.


Indeed, yes. Puts everyone in a tough position, but surely you have to act consistently?



I would hope so.
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Re: NZ tour of England 2021.

Postby sussexpob » Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:46 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:I guess Overton will come in for Robinson. Possibility that one of A&B will be rested. Or that Leach will come in anyway.


Someone who told a British Pakistani to go back home replacing someone on a ban for racist posts.

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Re: NZ tour of England 2021.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:43 am

News story: England have to search outside of their squad to field 11 non racist tweeters.
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Re: NZ tour of England 2021.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:45 am

Might be truer than I thought.

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Re: NZ tour of England 2021.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:47 am

Bess has been called up. Not really having a good season but his social media is spotless.
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Re: NZ tour of England 2021.

Postby captaincolly » Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:50 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Bess has been called up. Not really having a good season but his social media is spotless.

Apparently he deactivated his twitter account when he got the call!
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