ODI Series & T20i, England v New Zealand, 2015.

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Re: ODI Series, England v New Zealand, 2015.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:28 pm

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Oh and we bowled too short, especially Finn, again.


Yet the Kiwis bowled a lot of short stuff, and England couldn't get a bat on it.

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Re: ODI Series, England v New Zealand, 2015.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:54 pm

So the squad is
Roy/Hales/Root/Morgan/Buttler/Billings/Taylor
Overton/Stokes/Willey
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Finn/Overton/Wood
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Re: ODI Series, England v New Zealand, 2015.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:59 pm

Maybe England got the wrong Overton first time...
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Re: ODI Series, England v New Zealand, 2015.

Postby captaincolly » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:29 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Maybe England got the wrong Overton first time...

Jamie Overton seems an odd choice given he's been dropped by Somerset. Maybe he's a one day specialist?
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Re: ODI Series, England v New Zealand, 2015.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:41 pm

It doesn't look like either has played a lot of limited overs. 14&15 list A games. Craig averages 10 with the bat and 50 with the ball.
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Re: ODI Series, England v New Zealand, 2015.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:43 pm

I think Craig played for the Lions a couple of years ago and was expensive.
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Re: ODI Series, England v New Zealand, 2015.

Postby captaincolly » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:47 pm

Both selections seem a bit surprising then given those stats and lack of games played.
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Re: ODI Series, England v New Zealand, 2015.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:00 pm

Can't see them playing, though it would be nice to get a look at them.

With Moeen probably to return later in the summer, Roy in particular needs a score. And with Woakes likely to come back into the squad, members of a rather volatile and amorphous squad of bowling options need to distinguish themselves. I don't think you could say any of the bowlers have stood out yet.
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Re: ODI Series, England v New Zealand, 2015.

Postby sussexpob » Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:12 pm

I haven't played in a few years, and even at my best a few good club players could hit me around on occasions...... never much of a sound batting option either, apart from a couple of strokes I didn't have much in the locker.

Yet I have a feeling that if someone gave me a month off work to prepare and practice, a bit of professional coaching, I would be able to return better performances then Craig Overton has managed in his limited overs career.

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Re: ODI Series, England v New Zealand, 2015.

Postby m@tt » Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:10 pm

captaincolly wrote:Both selections seem a bit surprising then given those stats and lack of games played.

A lot of hype but neither had a great record. Would England be better off going for Rankin, Brooks or Footitt?
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Re: ODI Series, England v New Zealand, 2015.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:19 pm

Rankin and Brooks were away last year. I think England aren't keen on picking Yorkshire players for some reason though.
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Re: ODI Series, England v New Zealand, 2015.

Postby KipperJohn » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:32 pm

I would have thought they'd stick with Hales and Roy for this series and perhaps the next - give them a chance to get some experience and consistency. They both need to tighten up a bit - although Roy was out playing a defensive stot yesterday.

Southee early on is class, and Starc will be a real handful. They need to face bowling like that over time if they are to succeed. After all they're playing both WC finalists in succession.

No nothing about the Overtons - does seem a bit odd even if England have been stung by criticism of not giving youth a chance.
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Re: ODI Series, England v New Zealand, 2015.

Postby sussexpob » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:43 pm

KipperJohn wrote:I would have thought they'd stick with Hales and Roy for this series and perhaps the next - give them a chance to get some experience and consistency. They both need to tighten up a bit - although Roy was out playing a defensive stot yesterday


I agree with that. I think they have to stick with Hales and Roy, but not only this series, keep on going with them. We are playing a very good side and competing for once with the run scoring. Personally the only changes I would make are in the seam bowling department
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Re: ODI Series, England v New Zealand, 2015.

Postby Gingerfinch » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:49 pm

Ali could come back in the future, possibly for Billings?
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Re: ODI Series, England v New Zealand, 2015.

Postby sussexpob » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:20 pm

Gingerfinch wrote:Ali could come back in the future, possibly for Billings?


Personally, it would be Stokes who cops it imo
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