Champions Trophy, Feb 19 - March 9

[Arthur Crabtree]

Another question going forward is, not Jos isn't captain does he get the gloves back?

Who else? Duckett, stick with Smith?

Or Johnny Blameless?

[sussexpob]

.I'm not sure why you seem to have an attitude about it considering there isn't many options available and I'm all doing is trying to figure out the best players from a very limited amount of information in 50 over cricket.

From all available evidence, none of the players England have picked are better than others playing List A cricket.

Jake Libby averages 30 more in List A cricket than 2 or 3 players Englland have picked recently, and at a higher or similar SR.

You telling me he is worse than Jamie Smith then? Bat's quicker, scores nearly double the runs an innings.... statistics from the same competition.

Of course not. The whole point is England are picking players who failed in List A vs ones that did not.... solely on how they perform in tests/FC or OD.

The sample size argument is a total red herring. I don't need huge sample sizes to tell me players with 25-30 games under the belt averaging half at slower speed are WORSE than others.

[andy]

.I'm not sure why you seem to have an attitude about it considering there isn't many options available and I'm all doing is trying to figure out the best players from a very limited amount of information in 50 over cricket.

From all available evidence, none of the players England have picked are better than others playing List A cricket.

Jake Libby averages 30 more in List A cricket than 2 or 3 players Englland have picked recently, and at a higher or similar SR.

You telling me he is worse than Jamie Smith then? Bat's quicker, scores nearly double the runs an innings.... statistics from the same competition.

Of course not. The whole point is England are picking players who failed in List A vs ones that did not.... solely on how they perform in tests/FC or OD.

The sample size argument is a total red herring. I don't need huge sample sizes to tell me players with 25-30 games under the belt averaging half at slower speed are WORSE than others.

I understand and appreciate all that but you also have to take into account the standard of the comp....with all the best players playing in the hundred the bowling attacks are weak and budinger Libby etc are pummelling attacks that you won't see in associate cricket most of the time let alone international cricket so even that isn't a reliable guide to a persons ability.....it all boils down to the fact we need a better 50 over comp

[mikesiva]

South Africa

Klaasen 64
Rassie 72*

Archer 2-55

[Arthur Crabtree]

but you also have to take into account the standard of the comp....

Sounds reasonable.

After the padding of WC competitions, this has felt bracingly rapid.

But there a dead-ish rubber tomorrow, and then nothing until Wednesday.

[Durhamfootman]

Without a viable domestic 50 over competition, players will have to be judged via other formats.

since the total bastardisation of county cricket by the Nonsense, the only way I can see players getting much in the way of 50 over cricket experience would be if the £CB arranged a shed load of 50 over cricket tours for the England lions during the winter months, but what an indictment of their guardianship of the sport that would be.

[GarlicJam]

Or Johnny Blameless?

Many, many Australians want to see Bairstow back in the side, especially the test side, by the time the Ashes roll around.

[Arthur Crabtree]

To apologise?

:)

[backfootpunch]

.I'm not sure why you seem to have an attitude about it considering there isn't many options available and I'm all doing is trying to figure out the best players from a very limited amount of information in 50 over cricket.

From all available evidence, none of the players England have picked are better than others playing List A cricket.

Jake Libby averages 30 more in List A cricket than 2 or 3 players Englland have picked recently, and at a higher or similar SR.

You telling me he is worse than Jamie Smith then? Bat's quicker, scores nearly double the runs an innings.... statistics from the same competition.

Of course not. The whole point is England are picking players who failed in List A vs ones that did not.... solely on how they perform in tests/FC or OD.

The sample size argument is a total red herring. I don't need huge sample sizes to tell me players with 25-30 games under the belt averaging half at slower speed are WORSE than others.

I understand and appreciate all that but you also have to take into account the standard of the comp....with all the best players playing in the hundred the bowling attacks are weak and budinger Libby etc are pummelling attacks that you won't see in associate cricket most of the time let alone international cricket so even that isn't a reliable guide to a persons ability.....it all boils down to the fact we need a better 50 over comp

You are spot on

Runs in that competition are virtually meaningless

Its virtually a minor counties level of cricket

Sam Hain surely deserves a chance, he averages almost 60 in 50 over cricket and that is from before it became a joke in county cricket

He at least should be the glue player at 3/4 for when root isn't playing

We have completely lost sight of how important it is to have players who can rotate strike in the middle overs The contrast between root and the rest of the team are stark

Smith, bethell and brook don't have this skill because the only white ball cricket they play is t20 or the hundred where knocking it around isn't something you do

It's why I was able to predict brooks dismissal a couple of minutes before it happened. They get stuck at one end as they can't tick over and then play a stupid shot and get out.

[andy]

New Zealand win toss and choose to bowl first...

No suprise Conway dropped as Mitchell returns

India have rested harshit and brought in chakravethy

[andy]

With already being through I wonder if NZ will try and give some of their 'part timers' a bowl today....always fitness concerns over Jamieson and Phillips not guaranteed to bowl 10 I wonder if Mitchell and Ravindra will get overs in case theyxare needed in knockout stages....I've always wondered why Mitchell dosent bowl more he's very useful with the ball

[andy]

India 30-3! Phillips has just taken another stunner to remove kohli!!!!

Rohit, Gill and kohli all gone...Rohit limping whole time too his hamstring looks gone....

Glenn Phillips takes a worldie every single game!

[Arthur Crabtree]

Two quick wickets. Come on Kiwis!

[Durhamfootman]

incredibly stupid to blow a referral on the Gill lbw. it was about as plumb as it gets. Rohit must be barmy

[Arthur Crabtree]

And another- get in!