England Versus India - 1st Test (9 Nov - 13 Nov)

[Making_Splinters]

You said it best, look at Cook. He has no idea how to handle new bowlers or instil any confidence in them. My think on this is slightly bias after the damage England did to Kerrigan, but I don't think the best way to bring a player into Test cricket is by throwing them against the hardest test they will face as an international player. Unfortunately, England have become spectacularly bad at planning long term over the last few years.

Lyth was not given a perfect opportunity to get his feet under the desk opening in the West Indies instead having to front up to New Zealand and Australia in England, which is hard. Hales wasn't given the opportunity to open in the UAE instead had to deal with South Africa away as his first assignment. At no point over the summer knowing we had two tours of the sub continent coming up did we have a look at our other spin options.

Every player has to start somewhere, but starting against India as a spinner borders on nihilism.

found it crazy rashid didn't play last summer after actually bowling well and landing 60 balls in the right place against sri lanka.
said at the time rashid should be playing when he can actually land the ball and have rhythm no surprise he lost the rhythm by being the 12th man and not bowling much for yorkshire.

As I've said elsewhere, it's frankly odd that we've gotten pretty good at doing this in ODI cricket where we have 20 or more players we can throw into a side who have been looked at and we have a reasonably degree of confidence that they can do well. If the ECB could stop and look at how they've turned around our ODI side by taking chances and giving players an opportunity to fail without having to worry about it, then maybe, just maybe, we might see the same improvements in the Test side.

It doesn't help that the counties don't seem to have much patience with spinners either, look at the likes of Craddock who looked very promising only to be dumped and I think he may have played 1 second 11 game last year if that.

[Dr Cricket]

R patel, Riley looked good as well and they both lost it in their 2nd season.
If ECB could get a deal with BCCI on mumbai club cricket would be good for the spinners and batsman.
Times are reporting ECB are looking at a deal for some players to play club cricket in india.
although baylis doesn't know anything about that when Athers asked about it although did mention a practice game.
if england do play a practice game, question must surely be asked why ECB couldn't arrange one 2 or 3 months ago.
Why do they suddenly want a game now and not 2 or 3 months ago.
very shoddy preparation and very unlike strauss or Cook.

[Dr Cricket]

Seems like I got confused with Bayliss comments.
Dobell saying they don't have a warm up game and he been told before that england didn't want a warm up game in india because they want time off.
Although you do get the impression after today game that Bayliss and cook probably want another game though.
wonder what they will actually do on those 3 days of practice.
They probably going to have a Squad practice game since they will be allowed to play on a pitch in the stadium, will that be enough to pick a spinner and a batsman.

[meninblue]

As is well known a lot will depend how two England spinners will contribute. England will need spinners to flight the ball well. Good for England is that this time the series is not during March to May.

[meninblue]

We are likely to play 3 spinners considering the way England batted today.

I would like Virat to play 6 + 5 combo.

[Dr Cricket]

Dobell saying they taking early flight to india but don't have enough time for players to spend time to play club cricket in mumbai.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh- ... 64022.html

[Red Devil]

We are likely to play 3 spinners considering the way England batted today.

I would like Virat to play 6 + 5 combo.

with Saha as one of the 6?

[Dr Cricket]

We are likely to play 3 spinners considering the way England batted today.

I would like Virat to play 6 + 5 combo.

with Saha as one of the 6?

really would be Ashwin, jadeja 7 and saha 8.
most likely team.

Vijay
Rahul
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Ashwin
Jadeja
Saha
Mishra
Umesh Yadav/Ishant/Shami
Ishant/Shami

not sure on the pace men yet.
bat till 9 so not bad lower order, could be 10 if BK plays.

[dan08]

R patel, Riley looked good as well and they both lost it in their 2nd season.
If ECB could get a deal with BCCI on mumbai club cricket would be good for the spinners and batsman.
Times are reporting ECB are looking at a deal for some players to play club cricket in india.

Riley had a great season and then the coaches at Loughborough changed his action. Never been the same since.

[meninblue]

We are likely to play 3 spinners considering the way England batted today.

I would like Virat to play 6 + 5 combo.

with Saha as one of the 6?

Saha can bat in these conditions . Then we have Ashwin who has test hundreds and 50's. Jaddu. Virat has played 6+5 before and this series will again be ideal opportunity to play that combo.

[Dr Cricket]

R patel, Riley looked good as well and they both lost it in their 2nd season.
If ECB could get a deal with BCCI on mumbai club cricket would be good for the spinners and batsman.
Times are reporting ECB are looking at a deal for some players to play club cricket in india.

Riley had a great season and then the coaches at Loughborough changed his action. Never been the same since.

no surprise they have to justify the cost.

[Dr Cricket]

We are likely to play 3 spinners considering the way England batted today.

I would like Virat to play 6 + 5 combo.

with Saha as one of the 6?

Saha can bat in these conditions . Then we have Ashwin who has test hundreds and 50's. Jaddu. Virat has played 6+5 before and this series will again be ideal opportunity to play that combo.

think he depend on the conditons if the pitches are flat 5 bowlers if the pitch turning and expected to take wicket 4 bowlers with Rohit playing.

[dan08]

We are likely to play 3 spinners considering the way England batted today.

I would like Virat to play 6 + 5 combo.

with Saha as one of the 6?

Saha can bat in these conditions . Then we have Ashwin who has test hundreds and 50's. Jaddu. Virat has played 6+5 before and this series will again be ideal opportunity to play that combo.

think he depend on the conditons if the pitches are flat 5 bowlers if the pitch turning and expected to take wicket 4 bowlers with Rohit playing.

4 bowlers will be enough against England, whatever the pitch.

Bangladesh did fine with 3 bowlers.

[Dr Cricket]

We are likely to play 3 spinners considering the way England batted today.

I would like Virat to play 6 + 5 combo.

with Saha as one of the 6?

Saha can bat in these conditions . Then we have Ashwin who has test hundreds and 50's. Jaddu. Virat has played 6+5 before and this series will again be ideal opportunity to play that combo.

think he depend on the conditons if the pitches are flat 5 bowlers if the pitch turning and expected to take wicket 4 bowlers with Rohit playing.

4 bowlers will be enough against England, whatever the pitch.

Bangladesh did fine with 3 bowlers.

true but hasan and islam couldn't handle the bowling load and the selectors did get a bit stupid not selection 7 or 8 batsman or 9.
ashwin couldn't handle the bowling load in 2012 so if england bat well he will need the 3rd spin option, if the pace men can't bowl overs but Shami and Yadav been bowling well lately.
so maybe india can get away with 4.

[meninblue]

We are likely to play 3 spinners considering the way England batted today.

I would like Virat to play 6 + 5 combo.

with Saha as one of the 6?

Saha can bat in these conditions . Then we have Ashwin who has test hundreds and 50's. Jaddu. Virat has played 6+5 before and this series will again be ideal opportunity to play that combo.

think he depend on the conditons if the pitches are flat 5 bowlers if the pitch turning and expected to take wicket 4 bowlers with Rohit playing.

Those days when Saurav used to open bowling in some tests and we could play 3 spinners. With Sachin and Sehwag we had more options.

Rohit will not get to bat in 10 innings. But our bowler is very likely to bowl in 10 innings.