England v South Africa ODIs, 2017.

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Re: England v South Africa ODIs, 2017.

Postby captaincolly » Wed May 24, 2017 8:05 pm

captaincolly wrote:
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Durhamfootman wrote:good recovery, by the looks of it

tend to agree with AC, in that it doesn't feel like it's quite enough

And Stokes has gone off injured , seems to be a problem with his leg.

Knee problem according to the commentators. Might have to send for Nigel Kent!

Stokes back on now so he must be fine.
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Re: England v South Africa ODIs, 2017.

Postby Aidan11 » Wed May 24, 2017 8:12 pm

captaincolly wrote:
captaincolly wrote:
captaincolly wrote:
Durhamfootman wrote:good recovery, by the looks of it

tend to agree with AC, in that it doesn't feel like it's quite enough

And Stokes has gone off injured , seems to be a problem with his leg.

Knee problem according to the commentators. Might have to send for Nigel Kent!

Stokes back on now so he must be fine.


Yesnigel Kent was there and offered to help at which point Stokes leapt his feet, screamed "I'm fine Nige" and sprinted straight back out on the field.
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Re: England v South Africa ODIs, 2017.

Postby captaincolly » Wed May 24, 2017 8:14 pm

Aidan11 wrote:
captaincolly wrote:
captaincolly wrote:
captaincolly wrote:
Durhamfootman wrote:good recovery, by the looks of it

tend to agree with AC, in that it doesn't feel like it's quite enough

And Stokes has gone off injured , seems to be a problem with his leg.

Knee problem according to the commentators. Might have to send for Nigel Kent!

Stokes back on now so he must be fine.


Yesnigel Kent was there and offered to help at which point Stokes leapt his feet, screamed "I'm fine Nige" and sprinted straight back out on the field.

:lmao
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Re: England v South Africa ODIs, 2017.

Postby braveneutral » Wed May 24, 2017 8:37 pm

Poor Nigel.
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Re: England v South Africa ODIs, 2017.

Postby mikesiva » Wed May 24, 2017 9:03 pm

Moeen!
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Re: England v South Africa ODIs, 2017.

Postby Durhamfootman » Wed May 24, 2017 10:05 pm

Durhamfootman wrote:good recovery, by the looks of it

tend to agree with AC, in that it doesn't feel like it's quite enough

got that wrong

easy win, in the end, judging by the scorecard
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Re: England v South Africa ODIs, 2017.

Postby DiligentDefence » Wed May 24, 2017 10:20 pm

Wood didn't look ready for international cricket yet. I thought Plunkett bowled really well, Woakes was also pretty good and the spinners were generally fine. Rashid did bowl too many poor balls but also some some threatening deliveries, Ali bowled with good control. Didn't see much of the batting.
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Re: England v South Africa ODIs, 2017.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed May 24, 2017 10:30 pm

Big win in the end. Wonder if they'll give Willey, JB2, Lord Samuel Billings and Ball a game or stick with this as their best team?
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Re: England v South Africa ODIs, 2017.

Postby captaincolly » Wed May 24, 2017 10:53 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Big win in the end. Wonder if they'll give Willey, JB2, Lord Samuel Billings and Ball a game or stick with this as their best team?

I think Stokes might be rested, Morgan said the match situation meant he decided not to bring him back in to bowl. Doesn't sound as if they are worried about him but there's no point at all in taking any risks.
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Re: England v South Africa ODIs, 2017.

Postby bigfluffylemon » Wed May 24, 2017 11:00 pm

Good win, but as pointed out above, no one will give a stuff about this series in two weeks' time, let along the distant future. It's all about getting the team to the best possible position for the CT.

I think they'll rotate a bit. Wood looks rusty and needs some more match practice, but Willey, Bairstow, Billings should all probably be given a game. And they won't want to risk Stokes.

Morgan's back on form, which bodes well. But Buttler's still struggling, which doesn't. Hard to imagine England winning the CT without Buttler firing, but in Bairstow and Billings we have two more than capable backups.
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Re: England v South Africa ODIs, 2017.

Postby bigfluffylemon » Wed May 24, 2017 11:21 pm

Just wondering how many of the current line-up would be in an all-time England ODI XI. Probably a fair few, since England's ODI exploits haven't been great for the last 25 years. Morgan, Root and Buttler are shoo-ins, and Hales is also a very strong choice. You'd have to make room for KP, Tresco's probably the other opener, and Flintoff is ahead of Stokes or Botham. Bowling wise not so sure - Goughy, obviously, Swann as spinner, Jimmy in his prime, but no-one else screams out for selection.

Trouble is, the game has moved on so much it's really hard to compare across eras. The 1992 team was, by the standards of the time, pretty good, but look at it now: - Gooch, Fairbrother, Stewart, Botham, Lamb, Hick, Lewis, Reeve, Pringle, DeFraitas, Illingworth. Of those, how many would you consider would cut it in the modern game? Apart from Beefy, who would you consider - Gooch perhaps?
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Re: England v South Africa ODIs, 2017.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed May 24, 2017 11:29 pm

It's tempting to assume the modern day players are better. The only certainty I have is that they are better ground fielders. Not better catchers, but better spectacular catchers. So much is in the favour of he batters now that it's hard to say the modern players are definitely better, any more than we can say all the old bowlers were better because their stats were so good. I'd be inclined to have Gooch just as a batter (not Botham). But then I'd have to have him lumbering around the field, and accommodate Tres too. Hats off to GG, he faced Garner, Croft and Holding. Probably this is the best batting line up as a group on a flat pitch though.
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Re: England v South Africa ODIs, 2017.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed May 24, 2017 11:42 pm

Tres/Gooch/Root/KP/Buttler/Flintoff/Collingwood/Rashid/Swann/Gough/Finn
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Re: England v South Africa ODIs, 2017.

Postby ianp1970 » Wed May 24, 2017 11:48 pm

First trip to Headingley today, really enjoyable too :)

The sense in he crowd was that we were struggling throughout our innings until Moeen got going, also whilst Amla and Faf were together and only really felt home and hosed when ABDV fell taking their final chance.
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Re: England v South Africa ODIs, 2017.

Postby ianp1970 » Wed May 24, 2017 11:53 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Tres/Gooch/Root/KP/Buttler/Flintoff/Collingwood/Rashid/Swann/Gough/Finn


Gooch
Trescothick
Root
KP
Collingwood
Stokes
Buttler
Flintoff
Botham
Swann
Gough
Underwood

12th man would depend on pitch and opposition.
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