Making_Splinters wrote:Just wait till your boys have to come overseas. You're bloody good at home, almost as good as any side have ever been, let's see that against a decent seam attack in home conditions.
I accept Kphli is vastly under rated, but get over to England, Australia or South Africa and look half as dominant as you do at home!
Red Devil wrote:Not surprised at Moeen's average - he's had a good year and some of the criticism has been excessive. Probably only Root and Bairstow would have done better with the bat, and Stokes is probably similar to Moeen.
bigfluffylemon wrote:Red Devil wrote:Not surprised at Moeen's average - he's had a good year and some of the criticism has been excessive. Probably only Root and Bairstow would have done better with the bat, and Stokes is probably similar to Moeen.
I was just looking at Moeen's bowling figures though, and he's on track to be one of the worst spinners to take 100 wickets. He only needs two more, which he almost certainly will get if he plays again in the summer, but if he does he will have the second worst average and the absolute worst economy rate (by a long way) of any spinner to achieve the feat.
Funnily enough, and perhaps as a corollary to the above stats, his strike rate is actually quite good.
Making_Splinters wrote:Just wait till your boys have to come overseas. You're bloody good at home, almost as good as any side have ever been, let's see that against a decent seam attack in home conditions.
I accept Kphli is vastly under rated, but get over to England, Australia or South Africa and look half as dominant as you do at home!
Red Devil wrote:bigfluffylemon wrote:Red Devil wrote:Not surprised at Moeen's average - he's had a good year and some of the criticism has been excessive. Probably only Root and Bairstow would have done better with the bat, and Stokes is probably similar to Moeen.
I was just looking at Moeen's bowling figures though, and he's on track to be one of the worst spinners to take 100 wickets. He only needs two more, which he almost certainly will get if he plays again in the summer, but if he does he will have the second worst average and the absolute worst economy rate (by a long way) of any spinner to achieve the feat.
Funnily enough, and perhaps as a corollary to the above stats, his strike rate is actually quite good.
That really talks to the quality of Eng spinners in that there have not been better options available.
India were similar with Ishant - his test record was really poor for a long time but India's seam bowling was weak and so he kept being selected.
At least with Moeen you have him contributing with the bat.
Making_Splinters wrote:I think those crying out for Leach, should take a long hard look at what has happened to Kerrigan's career. He came to promise when we were serving up turning pitches week after week to suit him, he was thrown into international cricket on a surface that didn't help spinners, got bashed for 6 overs and was never seen again. He's still a shadow of the bowler he was before that incident.
Andy Flower wrote:This is going to test my coaching expertise. This is the worst case I've ever seen.
rich1uk wrote:i really dont get this argument that we shouldn't pick someone who has been performing at county level just in case they cant handle tests, especially when we are crying out for a spinner
the kerrigan situation was poorly handled by cook on the field, and by the management off the field
none of us here know how leach would handle the step up the international cricket but hasn't he earned the right to be given the chance ? he is a 25 year old guy with the equivalent of 2 full seasons of FC cricket behind him not a 18 year old kid
this attitude that we shouldn't pick him because someone in the past had a bad experience doesn't make sense, back the guy to succeed and make sure you give him the support he needs.
rich1uk wrote:i really dont get this argument that we shouldn't pick someone who has been performing at county level just in case they cant handle tests, especially when we are crying out for a spinner
the kerrigan situation was poorly handled by cook on the field, and by the management off the field
none of us here know how leach would handle the step up the international cricket but hasn't he earned the right to be given the chance ? he is a 25 year old guy with the equivalent of 2 full seasons of FC cricket behind him not a 18 year old kid
this attitude that we shouldn't pick him because someone in the past had a bad experience doesn't make sense, back the guy to succeed and make sure you give him the support he needs.
yuppie wrote:I seem to remember a poster on here talking about Leaches action and that it was a bit dodgy. This was before the present tour.
It seemed to be known that he was close to being called.
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