2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

[Dr Cricket]

If someone expects Indian wickets to suit pacers then good luck

yep can only remember one game ever in my life where the pitch suited pacers and that was in nagpur when they watered the pitched, left grass and basically wanted Australia to win just to screw BCCI and Ganguly.
Ganguly was livid at the time, massive moment since Australia won the series and were leading 2-0 with 1 to play.
Although wasn't a good game for ganguly since people did accuse for missing the game because of the green top.
https://hamaracongress.com/2010/05/08/w ... test-2004/

Took a gloss over a good series as well would have been better if rain didn't affect Chennai and Nagpur was a fair pitch.
2004 was a poor series really because of two awful pitches and rain only the first test and Chennai were played on a good pitch.
although it is famous for Australia finally winning in India.

[Dr Cricket]

Broad was picked by Kings 11 Punjab in 2011 whose home ground is Mohali. It was anticipated that the pitch would suit him. Broad did not tour for IPL that season for some reason.

Injured plus at the time doubt he would have played much and after the injury Punjab cancelled his contract since it was impossible for Broad to play much IPL and don't think broad was that interested either unless he got big bucks.
Anderson is another that been entered on IPL auctions but not picked up because of his England commitments.

[meninblue]

One of the few pitches in India, that tends to leave a bit of grass on and some decent carry

hasn't actually left grass either for a while and hasn't really had decent carry since maybe 2011 or 2012 now it can hardly carry well they do really need to relaid the square.
haven't done it since opening and pitches and grounds need to be relaid every 8-10 yrs to maintain pace and carry.
imagine how slow it is after 24 or 28 yrs.

Any idea after how many years pitch is relaid.

Is it important to water wickets daily.

Is any work mandatory on wicket after monsoon.

[meninblue]

Broad was picked by Kings 11 Punjab in 2011 whose home ground is Mohali. It was anticipated that the pitch would suit him. Broad did not tour for IPL that season for some reason.

Injured plus at the time doubt he would have played much and after the injury Punjab cancelled his contract since it was impossible for Broad to play much IPL and don't think broad was that interested either unless he got big bucks.
Anderson is another that been entered on IPL auctions but not picked up because of his England commitments.

KP from England played most matches in IPL, Ravi played second most i think, Dimitri 3rd probably.

Prior, Jimmy, Bell, Alex, Samit,Swann were also in auctions.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Mohali, like the old ground at Nagpur, was developed to be a faster track, with layers of bricks laid below the surface to give some bounce. I don't think it ever worked. I saw the game at Mohali in 2001 and mainly watched Harbhajan and Kumble bowl England out in a heavy defeat. Bangar, Siddiqui and Yohannan made debuts for India, Dawson and Foster for England. And there wasn't any bounce. Dawson took the most wickets for England.

[Dr Cricket]

One of the few pitches in India, that tends to leave a bit of grass on and some decent carry

hasn't actually left grass either for a while and hasn't really had decent carry since maybe 2011 or 2012 now it can hardly carry well they do really need to relaid the square.
haven't done it since opening and pitches and grounds need to be relaid every 8-10 yrs to maintain pace and carry.
imagine how slow it is after 24 or 28 yrs.

Any idea after how many years pitch is relaid.

Is it important to water wickets daily.

Is any work mandatory on wicket after monsoon.

never been relaid.
the water part depends on which pitch the groundsman wants or what he trying to achieve but isn't necessary you can still have a good pitch on a dry deck it just that the pitch has to be rock hard and solid so the game last 4-5 days and batting is possible, you really need to look at this Vizag pitch very dry and cracked but because the actual pitch is rock hard it made it possible to last 5 days with kohli scoring over 200 runs on it.
Don't know about the monsoon.

[Alviro Patterson]

Unlucky to lose Cook right at the end there.

90 overs to survive. Can't see it happening.

I'm very confident of it happening and England have the personnel to do it, batting for almost 60 overs and losing 2 wickets is fantastic application by our openers. Repeat the process tomorrow and it's job done

Root is a fine player of spin, Moeen Ali has batted a full 5th day before, Adil Rashid almost single handedly saved England at Pakistan last year. Though how Duckett and Stokes will approach this match will be key.

[Dr Cricket]

Mohali, like the old ground at Nagpur, was developed to be a faster track, with layers of bricks laid below the surface to give some bounce. I don't think it ever worked. I saw the game at Mohali in 2001 and mainly watched Harbhajan and Kumble bowl England out in a heavy defeat. Bangar, Siddiqui and Yohannan made debuts for India, Dawson and Foster for England. And there wasn't any bounce. Dawson took the most wickets for England.

Myth because of the WI first test at the ground and then because of the Ranji games at the ground especially when BCCI started doing pitch initiatives of grounds being more pacey or Seam friendly grounds in the north were then very fast bowling friendly or seam friendly and it mostly been the case since then but never been the case in international games.
when you have the likes Siddarth Kaul, sandeep Sharma who is very good with the seam and swing it both ways and a very talented pace bowler the pitches will always be made to suit your strengths.

plus punjab IPL games tend to be seam friendly and pace friendly to take into account its pace and fast bowling strength especially with mohali and Dharamasala being produced to suit them.

you really need to be careful with comparing ranji trophy games and Test matches especially with Ranji games having a lot of grass and lot of water at some grounds they are literally so bowling friendly teams bowl first.
IE what my evidence showing earlier.
Why do you think Pace men do so well in ranji games and top bowling and wicket taking tables.
in 2012, 13, 14 period most of the top 10 wicket takers were pace men because apart from a few South rank turners all games were played on Seaming decks, pacy decks or very flat batting decks and spinner just never had the skill to take wickets on those wickets.

[Dr Cricket]

Broad was picked by Kings 11 Punjab in 2011 whose home ground is Mohali. It was anticipated that the pitch would suit him. Broad did not tour for IPL that season for some reason.

Injured plus at the time doubt he would have played much and after the injury Punjab cancelled his contract since it was impossible for Broad to play much IPL and don't think broad was that interested either unless he got big bucks.
Anderson is another that been entered on IPL auctions but not picked up because of his England commitments.

KP from England played most matches in IPL, Ravi played second most i think, Dimitri 3rd probably.

Prior, Jimmy, Bell, Alex, Samit,Swann were also in auctions.

most of the players were not that interested since they were most likely making a loss playing it and vast majority of them only entered that in the off chance they get picked it might be a crazy contract.
Swann never actually entered, Samit did but at a crazy price and never got picked same with Hales but did play once and he had to pay notts for the privilege and made a loss, same with Billings.
Bell, jimmy, prior were never getting picked with their prize tag and they had no desire to play in IPL unless they had a stupid crazy offer which they never received.

Although it is clear now that Strauss loves IPL and so players are basically paying to play it and making a loss just so they play IPL and then jump the queue for ODI/T20 consideration in the team.
Suspect Willey, Topley, Duckett, billings, vince etc all going IPL if they even get an offered.
so in a way Sussex idea of boards paying money to get overseas opportunities is happening but just not in England.
if any English player playing IPL it is very likely the player is playing for free or paying for the privilege since he needs to pay money to his counties for every game or week he misses.

[Dr Cricket]

Mohali, like the old ground at Nagpur, was developed to be a faster track, with layers of bricks laid below the surface to give some bounce. I don't think it ever worked. I saw the game at Mohali in 2001 and mainly watched Harbhajan and Kumble bowl England out in a heavy defeat. Bangar, Siddiqui and Yohannan made debuts for India, Dawson and Foster for England. And there wasn't any bounce. Dawson took the most wickets for England.

Surprised they actually thought that would work lol.
the current practices are better.
place a ground in a place that got a natural high water level IE Lahli so places where swamps or underground rivers are located or if they want a bouncy/pacy wicket the most important factor is the clay content and the groundsman picks the soil with the most clay in it.
IE like Dharamasala.
http://www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/w ... 032109.ece
but saying that in the 90s not sure many groundsman in india or people in charge actually knew how pitches worked only really now they know what they doing and the fact they thought Nagpur and Mohali would be quick says everything since those two grounds are known to be the slowest in india especially in international cricket.

[sussexpob]

Don't think you can take this innings into account, and I didn't think he was overly defensive in the second innings of the first test.

Sussex is a hard man to please!

The fact is, in the modern day there arent any batsman who have been successful with a SR under 40. And he has a strike rate of 38 in FC cricket. The last person to score over 4000 runs batting under a SR of 40 was Mike Atherton. And his record against the best teams of his age is poor (something like 1 century in 35 matches vs AUS, and 5 odd in 30 vs Windies). After that you are down to players who are probably long dead now. John Wright is there, but he was the only NZ batsman

Its good to have a rigidity to you, but there comes a point where world class bowlers will circle round you like a shark if you arent willing to score.

Nothing wrong with batting rigid, I like it, but if you arent putting away half volleys on a regular basis you are going to run into problems.

[sussexpob]

Obviously I am tough to please though...

I didnt proclaim the coming of the new Bradman after one innings of 80, like the English press did.

[Arthur Crabtree]

While the hype hasn't really been justifiable, there is good reason to recognise positives, like temperament, concentration and ambition. Very Cookian values. Haseeb is 19 and hardly physically developed. He won't be the same player in a year or two, similar (maybe) to how Root changed. Perhaps that's a reason for him not to have been called up yet, but England are currently glad to have him.

[backfootpunch]

The continual improvement in rashids bowling is very encouraging

You can tell by how many more overs he is getting compared to the other spinners he is well ahead of them in cooks eyes

Hopefully he keeps gaining in confidence

I can see moeen and rashid playing from now on

[shankycricket]

Mohali was quite seam friendly in the 2006 Test between BCCI and England (remember Munaf Patel doing a fair bit of damage on debut) and in the Champions Trophy later that year where the likes of Ntini (against Pak) and Kyle Mills and Brett Lee (against each other's teams in the SF) wreaked havoc on that pitch. Since then, it has offered very little to the seamers. Especially in Test cricket. Australia nearly won a Test there in 2010 through Johnson, Bollinger and Hilfenhaus (despite the spinner Hauritz being woeful) but that was not really a seam friendly pitch. More a case of the better bowlers yet again the damage rather than the ones necessarily suited for the pitch (I'm looking at you, Arthur ). The pitch against South Africa was a proper rank turner, almost similar to Nagpur just a little (probably 10%) less extreme. So yeah, it would be foolhardy to expect a seamer's paradise. There should be some bounce though, don't think it'll be as spin friendly as last year.