World Cup semis & final, July 9-14

[Alviro Patterson]

During the final few overs, Dhoni was clearly looking to go big but Lockie Ferguson just put it on the spot and cleverly worked it round for singles. Good cricket played there as it puts the ball back in New Zealand's court, all it needs is a no ball free hit and momentum changes.

[sussexpob]

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Seems one of the consistent themes of this world cup, that so many sides rather watch a RR escalate out of control to the point they have no choice but to last ditch desperation slog, than ever try to keep it manageable. Its like watching someone with a potentially fatal wound content themselves with slowly bleeding to death, rather than seek immediate help. There are two ways to lose a game, 10 wickets falling or not making enough runs; it seems the latter is very much not treated with enough importance, and that most teams seem to back themselves to score 75 runs in 5 overs at the end, having allowed themselves countless overs of a few singles here and there.

England are arguably the only team that have the approach right; the execution hasnt been perfect, but at least England virtually all the time are looking at the rate and attacking it. And when wickets dont fall, their top order isnt going to sit around wondering, its coming straight for you. Just feel like a lot of teams died wondering in this tournament, and India are one.

Of course you could say Dhoni needed to keep his wicket intact, and that was true for the first 20-30 balls, but there is no point just walking off a cliff in a suicide mission.

With the way jadeja played all dhoni had to do was bat with a bit of positive intent and not block and india wouldve coasted it

Obviously the early wickets made it very hard but a few more singles here and there and they win

The rate was at 14 plus when Jadeja got out. His strike rate through the innings was what, 7 an over? What exactly says Jadeja had the capability to win the game? 14 an over translates as a what, 233SR...

No one really comes with a 100SR of that on average, and very few worthwhile scores are made like that.

Despite the fall of wicket, the game was over well before Jadeja got out

[backfootpunch]

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Seems one of the consistent themes of this world cup, that so many sides rather watch a RR escalate out of control to the point they have no choice but to last ditch desperation slog, than ever try to keep it manageable. Its like watching someone with a potentially fatal wound content themselves with slowly bleeding to death, rather than seek immediate help. There are two ways to lose a game, 10 wickets falling or not making enough runs; it seems the latter is very much not treated with enough importance, and that most teams seem to back themselves to score 75 runs in 5 overs at the end, having allowed themselves countless overs of a few singles here and there.

England are arguably the only team that have the approach right; the execution hasnt been perfect, but at least England virtually all the time are looking at the rate and attacking it. And when wickets dont fall, their top order isnt going to sit around wondering, its coming straight for you. Just feel like a lot of teams died wondering in this tournament, and India are one.

Of course you could say Dhoni needed to keep his wicket intact, and that was true for the first 20-30 balls, but there is no point just walking off a cliff in a suicide mission.

With the way jadeja played all dhoni had to do was bat with a bit of positive intent and not block and india wouldve coasted it

Obviously the early wickets made it very hard but a few more singles here and there and they win

The rate was at 14 plus when Jadeja got out. His strike rate through the innings was what, 7 an over? What exactly says Jadeja had the capability to win the game? 14 an over translates as a what, 233SR...

No one really comes with a 100SR of that on average, and very few worthwhile scores are made like that.

Despite the fall of wicket, the game was over well before Jadeja got out

Huh?

I was agreeing with you

[bigfluffylemon]

I think it was about 10 when Jadeja got out, and he had been going at about 140 (i.e. close to 9 an over) when he was on strike. It was unlikely but feasible he could have got India home with some better support from Dhoni.

But I agree with you, India, Dhoni especially, paced the chase all wrong.

[bigfluffylemon]

I think it was about 10 when Jadeja got out, and he had been going at about 140 (i.e. close to 9 an over) when he was on strike. It was unlikely but feasible he could have got India home with some better support from Dhoni.

But I agree with you, India, Dhoni especially, paced the chase all wrong.

Nope, I was wrong, it was 37 off 3 overs.

[sussexpob]

I think it was about 10 when Jadeja got out, and he had been going at about 140 (i.e. close to 9 an over) when he was on strike. It was unlikely but feasible he could have got India home with some better support from Dhoni.

But I agree with you, India, Dhoni especially, paced the chase all wrong.

Sorry I misread. See my post above (I posted the RRR was 14 as Jadeja got out).....not that it matters, as we agree

[Arthur Crabtree]

So Handscom will be in for UK. I'd guess that pushes Smith up to three.

Aussies have never lost a WC semi.

[yuppie]

So Handscom will be in for UK. I'd guess that pushes Smith up to three.

Aussies have never lost a WC semi.

I hope you're saying that tomorrow AC. But England should have learnt from the group stage and have Roy back.

[sussexpob]

So Handscom will be in for UK. I'd guess that pushes Smith up to three.

Aussies have never lost a WC semi.

I hope you're saying that tomorrow AC. But England should have learnt from the group stage and have Roy back.

Imo it's crazy he isn't there from the beginning.

[backfootpunch]

Wonder if the aussies will finally realise carey is a miles better batsmen than stoinis and maxwell

He has to bat 5 in this line up at the lowest

[Arthur Crabtree]

Just saw some footage on the news. Impressive run out from Guptill. Handy catch from Neesham too.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Bit of a well deserved nod to Rohit Sharma in order. Incredible record to get five hundreds (plus a fifty) and at a decent SR. I guess he won't be Player of the WC because he won't be in the final, but he couldn't have done a lot more.

[Arthur Crabtree]

So Handscom will be in for UK. I'd guess that pushes Smith up to three.

Aussies have never lost a WC semi.

I hope you're saying that tomorrow AC. But England should have learnt from the group stage and have Roy back.

Imo it's crazy he isn't there from the beginning.

Khawaja didn't have a good WC. A bit of a surprise pick.

[Arthur Crabtree]

All over.

Maybe the format needs a tweak?

;)

Don't miss this one.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... semi-final

[ianp1970]

So watch out for a QualiElimifier style format next time...