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Postby Gingerfinch » Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:52 pm

He's trying to look positive I suppose?

Anyway, not long now.

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Re: ICC World Cup 2015 - Pool A

Postby rich1uk » Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:53 pm

Dr Robert wrote:
Will England persevere with Bopara?


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Re: ICC World Cup 2015 - Pool A

Postby Dr Cricket » Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:53 pm

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bhaveshgor wrote:Might be wrong but the ashes isn't odi cricket and England have a bad record to australia in the last 10 years in odi.


might be wrong but I think morgan would be aware that the ashes and ODIs are two different things as well

all he was saying is there are players in the squad who have the experience of playing infront of full house crowds against Australia and know the sort of pressure and atmosphere to expect


Ah ok should have said that then instead of mentioning winning ashes series.

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Re: ICC World Cup 2015 - Pool A

Postby rich1uk » Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:57 pm

bhaveshgor wrote:
rich1uk wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:Might be wrong but the ashes isn't odi cricket and England have a bad record to australia in the last 10 years in odi.


might be wrong but I think morgan would be aware that the ashes and ODIs are two different things as well

all he was saying is there are players in the squad who have the experience of playing infront of full house crowds against Australia and know the sort of pressure and atmosphere to expect


Ah ok should have said that then instead of mentioning winning ashes series.


I know you think the ashes are massively over-rated bhav but those games, like playing in the world cup, do come with a different type of pressure and having that experience does help
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Re: ICC World Cup 2015 - Pool A

Postby hopeforthebest » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:03 pm

The three stongest teams in this WC, Australia, SA and NZ all have a significant number of test players in their teams. A test batsman who can score at 55% S/R in tests should, with the fielding restrictions that apply in ODI games, be able to score at a much higher S/R and for those teams they do so.

What England need is someone in the dressing room who can motivate out batsmen to recognize this instead of just talking rubbish in public. Moores dosn't seem to me an inspirational type individual.
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Re: ICC World Cup 2015 - Pool A

Postby Aidan11 » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:04 pm

rich1uk wrote:
Dr Robert wrote:
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Re: ICC World Cup 2015 - Pool A

Postby Dr Cricket » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:05 pm

rich1uk wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:
rich1uk wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:Might be wrong but the ashes isn't odi cricket and England have a bad record to australia in the last 10 years in odi.


might be wrong but I think morgan would be aware that the ashes and ODIs are two different things as well

all he was saying is there are players in the squad who have the experience of playing infront of full house crowds against Australia and know the sort of pressure and atmosphere to expect


Ah ok should have said that then instead of mentioning winning ashes series.


I know you think the ashes are massively over-rated bhav but those games, like playing in the world cup, do come with a different type of pressure and having that experience does help

Yeah but not many in the squad have played ashes in australia or much so is not like that point even have much weight here.

Anderson, broad, bell are the only ones with proper ashes experience.
Finn played Ashes cricket but not been a regular.
Woakes played one game.
The rest have never played ashes game or much international cricket.

So they not really experienced like claimed by Morgan.
Agree with berry on the new year articles would be nice if captain give more honest/ less pr responses.
Far too many players/captain say scripted lines and not what they really think.

Sometime it is quite nice hearing Pakistan players or afridi speak :clap

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Re: ICC World Cup 2015 - Pool A

Postby Dr Cricket » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:06 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:The three stongest teams in this WC, Australia, SA and NZ all have a significant number of test players in their teams. A test batsman who can score at 55% S/R in tests should, with the fielding restrictions that apply in ODI games, be able to score at a much higher S/R and for those teams they do so.

What England need is someone in the dressing room who can motivate out batsmen to recognize this instead of just talking rubbish in public. Moores dosn't seem to me an inspirational type individual.

Agree

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Re: ICC World Cup 2015 - Pool A

Postby rich1uk » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:07 pm

you are accusing people of not giving more honest answers and then mis-representing what they did say ?

he said there were players in the squad that have that sort of experience , which is true, he didn't say the whole squad have or even that the majority do
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Re: ICC World Cup 2015 - Pool A

Postby Gingerfinch » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:10 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:The three stongest teams in this WC, Australia, SA and NZ all have a significant number of test players in their teams. A test batsman who can score at 55% S/R in tests should, with the fielding restrictions that apply in ODI games, be able to score at a much higher S/R and for those teams they do so.

What England need is someone in the dressing room who can motivate out batsmen to recognize this instead of just talking rubbish in public. Moores dosn't seem to me an inspirational type individual.


Four of our top seven are in our current test team, and Taylor must be close. We should in theory be able to score runs pretty consistently. As for behind the scenes, who know's what goes on in the dressing room? They might play Churchillian speeches for all we know. That said I would love Morgan to say 'We better improve or else'
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Re: ICC World Cup 2015 - Pool A

Postby shankycricket » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:21 pm

Dr Robert wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:The three stongest teams in this WC, Australia, SA and NZ all have a significant number of test players in their teams. A test batsman who can score at 55% S/R in tests should, with the fielding restrictions that apply in ODI games, be able to score at a much higher S/R and for those teams they do so.

What England need is someone in the dressing room who can motivate out batsmen to recognize this instead of just talking rubbish in public. Moores dosn't seem to me an inspirational type individual.


Four of our top seven are in our current test team, and Taylor must be close. We should in theory be able to score runs pretty consistently. As for behind the scenes, who know's what goes on in the dressing room? They might play Churchillian speeches for all we know. That said I would love Morgan to say 'We better improve or else'

Only 2 of them are specialist Test batsmen though. Anyways, England with their pace attack, should be disappointed if they do not make the semis.
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Re: ICC World Cup 2015 - Pool A

Postby rich1uk » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:22 pm

shankycricket wrote:
Dr Robert wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:The three stongest teams in this WC, Australia, SA and NZ all have a significant number of test players in their teams. A test batsman who can score at 55% S/R in tests should, with the fielding restrictions that apply in ODI games, be able to score at a much higher S/R and for those teams they do so.

What England need is someone in the dressing room who can motivate out batsmen to recognize this instead of just talking rubbish in public. Moores dosn't seem to me an inspirational type individual.


Four of our top seven are in our current test team, and Taylor must be close. We should in theory be able to score runs pretty consistently. As for behind the scenes, who know's what goes on in the dressing room? They might play Churchillian speeches for all we know. That said I would love Morgan to say 'We better improve or else'

Only 2 of them are specialist Test batsmen though. Anyways, England with their pace attack, should be disappointed if they do not make the semis.


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Re: ICC World Cup 2015 - Pool A

Postby Gingerfinch » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:23 pm

shankycricket wrote:
Dr Robert wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:The three stongest teams in this WC, Australia, SA and NZ all have a significant number of test players in their teams. A test batsman who can score at 55% S/R in tests should, with the fielding restrictions that apply in ODI games, be able to score at a much higher S/R and for those teams they do so.

What England need is someone in the dressing room who can motivate out batsmen to recognize this instead of just talking rubbish in public. Moores dosn't seem to me an inspirational type individual.


Four of our top seven are in our current test team, and Taylor must be close. We should in theory be able to score runs pretty consistently. As for behind the scenes, who know's what goes on in the dressing room? They might play Churchillian speeches for all we know. That said I would love Morgan to say 'We better improve or else'

Only 2 of them are specialist Test batsmen though. Anyways, England with their pace attack, should be disappointed if they do not make the semis.


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Re: ICC World Cup 2015 - Pool A

Postby shankycricket » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:24 pm

bhaveshgor wrote:
Dr Robert wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:Might be wrong but the ashes isn't odi cricket and England have a bad record to australia in the last 10 years in odi.


10 years isn't the present, like the ashes isn't ODI's. More importantly they have of late, beaten us with ease.


Just questioning Morgan point of saying England got good memories of playing australia.
Since England record in odi after ashes is terrible and talking about test performances/ashes performances is one reason England are bad in odi.
They never seem to get odi and test are different formats.

Yep, unlike the mighty Bangladesh. Or India, who pick Raina, Dhawan and Rohit in Tests based on ODI performances.. :dance
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Re: ICC World Cup 2015 - Pool A

Postby shankycricket » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:29 pm

rich1uk wrote:
shankycricket wrote:
Dr Robert wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:The three stongest teams in this WC, Australia, SA and NZ all have a significant number of test players in their teams. A test batsman who can score at 55% S/R in tests should, with the fielding restrictions that apply in ODI games, be able to score at a much higher S/R and for those teams they do so.

What England need is someone in the dressing room who can motivate out batsmen to recognize this instead of just talking rubbish in public. Moores dosn't seem to me an inspirational type individual.


Four of our top seven are in our current test team, and Taylor must be close. We should in theory be able to score runs pretty consistently. As for behind the scenes, who know's what goes on in the dressing room? They might play Churchillian speeches for all we know. That said I would love Morgan to say 'We better improve or else'

Only 2 of them are specialist Test batsmen though. Anyways, England with their pace attack, should be disappointed if they do not make the semis.


depends if we avoid SA in the q/f

England have an excellent head to head record vs South Africa in ODI cricket recently, not least the last time they played in an ODI, which was also in the knock out match of an ICC tournament, where England walloped the Saffas in the Champions Trophy semi final. Of course, SA have improved a lot since then and England have regressed but in a knock out game, given your record against them and their knockout history, I'd be quietly bullish about your chances.
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