by meninblue » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:09 pm
Making_Splinters wrote:clubcricketeradi wrote:Making_Splinters wrote:clubcricketeradi wrote:Haven't checked stats , however i feel Alex (avg 21, SR 88) must be the least averaging opener amongst top 8 cricket teams. Also what happened to Jos, was he dropped or injured
Seems that without Joe Root, the team is without a backbone. Nobody to score a hundred.
Taylor scored a ton last game, Morgan has made two scores of 80 plus this series and a ton against New Zealand, Buttler also made a ton against New Zealand. So the claim there is no one to score hundreds is quite a long way wide of the mark.
Hales has had a very poor series but made two 50s against New Zealand at an average of 33 and a strike rate of over 120. It's always the case that people have a very short memory when it comes to players. After the New Zealand series lots of people were saying Roy should be dropped, but after the next series where he's averaged 40 with two fifties at a strike rate of over 100 he's suddenly off the chopping block.
Buttler was technically rested, but his form has been very poor since the start of the Ashes.
Was aware of 2 * 50+ scores by Morgan, but did not knew about Taylor ton.
As far as Alex is concerned imo he is lucky to be in team with such records. He will get in only on basis of expectations or the talent factor that every cricketer is linked with rather than the actual performance delivered so far.
Jos has a acceptable ratio of average to SR imo which surprises me why he was dropped. There are lesser performing batter than him who could have been dropped instead of him. Jos has a better AVG:SR ratio compared to Alex. But they still drop the batsmen who has delivered relatively better perfromance
Morgan has made seven 50 plus score this summer, incuding a ton and three scores above 80. Combined with Taylor and Jos your claim that there is no one to make tons is simply not true. Root has made some big scores this summer but arguably Morgan has been the most important batsman for England.
Jos has had a prolonged period of poor form over the five tests against Australia and the ODIs he played against Australia before being rested.
Not sure what your point about Hales is, he had a decent series against New Zealand and a poor one against Australia. He's been in very good form domestically this summer and it would be ridiculous to drop him after one poor series.
England's openers have only played two series as and opening partnership and they have each done well in one of them. There is far too much willingness to chop and change this side.
The point about Alex is that he is averaging 21 which is not what a specialist batsman is supposed to average in 50 overs format. It is very bad in ODI format in this era.
Talent is there in every cricketer and on that logic i agree that even Alex has talent. However, what matters is the number of runs he scores. The scorer will not add runs because he is fresh at international level. if he scores 20 it's 20. Talent part is useless if not delivered. A cricketer inexperienced at international level may take time to settle, however how many series can England afford to lose given such a below par performance from one specialist batsman. Can they afford to lose more series by keeping players who average in 20? By the time Alex strikes form in some series, someone else will strike bad patch. Only the names of out of form and inform batsmen will change but the overall effect will be more or less similar. England needs specialist batsman to average in high 40's if they need to cover few out of form players in every series an still win series. That is where having players with high average makes difference.
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