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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby Making_Splinters » Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:26 pm

Gingerfinch wrote:You're getting a bit defensive about Hales, splinters. He's quite clearly under pressure to perform, having had a bad series, in a series defeat. I'm certain the 'new' England will be patient with him, but he either has to score a few, or at least get us a quick start, which is surely the reason he was brought in for?


I'm just a little tired of the constant criticism that is going on around the team and players. This summer's ODI performance has been breathtaking considering where we started from at the start of the year. Yet for some reason it's not enough to sit back and think we might be seeing the start of something very special, instead every part of the team that isn't excelling needs to be removed.
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby Durhamfootman » Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:50 pm

Pity that. Just as it was getting really interesting.

Hey ho...... these things happen. It's been an excellent summer for England. Much better than I could ever have predicted back in the aftermath of the CWC.

we've seen some new faces and some new approaches. some things have worked, some haven't, some might yet. Plenty to ponder ahead of the winter tours. It's a bit of a shame that successful home ashes series are invariably followed by dreadfully depressing overseas tours against Pakistan which generally suck the life out of any post ashes optimism and momentum. Personally, I'd give the players a rest until the SA tour and skip anything to do with Pakistan or the UAE, but there you go... that's just me. It feels like a very long time since anything good last came out of a Pakistan series
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby yuppie » Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:53 pm

I would imagine after this series, there should be some optimism for English supporters. It was not that long ago they were having a shocker at the world cup.

Very encouraging signs for them, though still a long way to go to get the depth of what Australia has got.
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby rich1uk » Sun Sep 13, 2015 9:11 pm

yuppie wrote:I would imagine after this series, there should be some optimism for English supporters. It was not that long ago they were having a shocker at the world cup.

Very encouraging signs for them, though still a long way to go to get the depth of what Australia has got.


there is optimism but I just don't think we should be blinded to any flaws just because there have been good aspects and improvement in some areas

hales has still to show he can cope at this level

stokes has still to show he can contribute consistently with bat and ball

woakes doesn't take anywhere near enough wickets for an opening bowler

wood and plunkett were both pretty expensive at times and our death bowling in general still sucks
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby yuppie » Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:27 pm

but it is better than what happened in the world cup. England's problems will take a few years to solve, but they have to be happy with the progress they have made.

Probably time to stick with some players even if not performing. If half of them make it then it will be good for England in the long run.
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby SaintPowelly » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:11 am

This Aus team only had 4 players that played in the WC Final though
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby rich1uk » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:45 am

SaintPowelly wrote:This Aus team only had 4 players that played in the WC Final though


it did but 3 of the 7 who were missing have retired and 1 maybe 2 of the others wouldn't be guaranteed picks anyway

I agree it was still an under-strength australia team but not quite to the degree of having 7 missing players from their strongest team now available
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby yuppie » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:11 am

Australia has a lot of depth in this form of the game. One of the reasons they are World Champs.
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby Alviro Patterson » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:19 pm

yuppie wrote:I would imagine after this series, there should be some optimism for English supporters. It was not that long ago they were having a shocker at the world cup.

Very encouraging signs for them, though still a long way to go to get the depth of what Australia has got.


Too right, compared to the World Cup this England squad has plenty of versatility. The only thing missing in this New England squad is a specialist one day pace bowler.

I reckon England could be a surprise package in next years World Twenty20, naming a 15 man squad is going to be very interesting because of the wide range of playing options available.
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby The Waugh Twins » Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:22 pm

i think any team is always a surprise package in a 20/20 tourney.

It's still a crap shoot for the bigger teams and even a minnow has a chance of going the whole nine yards.
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby meninblue » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:09 pm

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clubcricketeradi wrote:Haven't checked stats , however i feel Alex (avg 21, SR 88) must be the least averaging opener amongst top 8 cricket teams. Also what happened to Jos, was he dropped or injured :?:

Seems that without Joe Root, the team is without a backbone. Nobody to score a hundred.


Taylor scored a ton last game, Morgan has made two scores of 80 plus this series and a ton against New Zealand, Buttler also made a ton against New Zealand. So the claim there is no one to score hundreds is quite a long way wide of the mark.

Hales has had a very poor series but made two 50s against New Zealand at an average of 33 and a strike rate of over 120. It's always the case that people have a very short memory when it comes to players. After the New Zealand series lots of people were saying Roy should be dropped, but after the next series where he's averaged 40 with two fifties at a strike rate of over 100 he's suddenly off the chopping block.

Buttler was technically rested, but his form has been very poor since the start of the Ashes.


Was aware of 2 * 50+ scores by Morgan, but did not knew about Taylor ton.

As far as Alex is concerned imo he is lucky to be in team with such records. He will get in only on basis of expectations or the talent factor that every cricketer is linked with rather than the actual performance delivered so far.

Jos has a acceptable ratio of average to SR imo which surprises me why he was dropped. There are lesser performing batter than him who could have been dropped instead of him. Jos has a better AVG:SR ratio compared to Alex. But they still drop the batsmen who has delivered relatively better perfromance :hmmm


Morgan has made seven 50 plus score this summer, incuding a ton and three scores above 80. Combined with Taylor and Jos your claim that there is no one to make tons is simply not true. Root has made some big scores this summer but arguably Morgan has been the most important batsman for England.

Jos has had a prolonged period of poor form over the five tests against Australia and the ODIs he played against Australia before being rested.

Not sure what your point about Hales is, he had a decent series against New Zealand and a poor one against Australia. He's been in very good form domestically this summer and it would be ridiculous to drop him after one poor series.

England's openers have only played two series as and opening partnership and they have each done well in one of them. There is far too much willingness to chop and change this side.



The point about Alex is that he is averaging 21 which is not what a specialist batsman is supposed to average in 50 overs format. It is very bad in ODI format in this era.

Talent is there in every cricketer and on that logic i agree that even Alex has talent. However, what matters is the number of runs he scores. The scorer will not add runs because he is fresh at international level. if he scores 20 it's 20. Talent part is useless if not delivered. A cricketer inexperienced at international level may take time to settle, however how many series can England afford to lose given such a below par performance from one specialist batsman. Can they afford to lose more series by keeping players who average in 20? By the time Alex strikes form in some series, someone else will strike bad patch. Only the names of out of form and inform batsmen will change but the overall effect will be more or less similar. England needs specialist batsman to average in high 40's if they need to cover few out of form players in every series an still win series. That is where having players with high average makes difference.
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:14 pm

Hales is regarded as someone who will average better than twenty, that's why he's in the side. He's not picked to average twenty. No one thinks that is good enough.
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