1st Test England v Pakistan, Lord's 14-18 July

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Re: 1st Test England v Pakistan, Lord's 14-18 July

Postby sussexpob » Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:41 pm

Aidan11 wrote:He was in Cricket Writers on TV yesterday.


Surprised he didn't mention it, unless he only just found out today.


Judging on the twitter reaction he just found out
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Re: 1st Test England v Pakistan, Lord's 14-18 July

Postby Aidan11 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:42 pm

I would have thought if the selectors were interested in Borthwick he may have been picked for the Lions but not the case.


I suspect he won't be selected anytime soon.
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Re: 1st Test England v Pakistan, Lord's 14-18 July

Postby Dr Cricket » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:09 pm

yeah Northeast is a good batsman, liked what I saw of him couple of years ago, brought him cheaply last year in county fantasy league and did well for me, consistent scorer in County cricket.
Hildreth is another that should be mentioned more.

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Re: 1st Test England v Pakistan, Lord's 14-18 July

Postby Dr Cricket » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:18 pm

Aidan11 wrote:I would have thought if the selectors were interested in Borthwick he may have been picked for the Lions but not the case.


I suspect he won't be selected anytime soon.

lions don't mean much considering the selectors picked the players with the least disruption to the counties.

most of the squad were youngsters or players they looking for a english call up 2-3 yrs in the future not sure many of the players are a realistic england player at the moment.

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Re: 1st Test England v Pakistan, Lord's 14-18 July

Postby Dr Cricket » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:27 pm

looking at the list Sam billings is the closest england test player in the squad the rest got years to go before they are a realistic test option.
Daniel bell drummond is a good player but probably needs 1 or 2 more english season before he is ready for Test cricket.
Same with Joe Clarke.

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Re: 1st Test England v Pakistan, Lord's 14-18 July

Postby Dr Cricket » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:37 pm

look like attendance might not be great in Manchester, currently they are averaging 13K across all 4 days and capacity Attendance is over 25K.
Ticket prices are quite cheap or decent for england test as well, ticket around £30-40, loads of discount for family as well.

probably dependent on walk up sales now.

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Re: 1st Test England v Pakistan, Lord's 14-18 July

Postby Alviro Patterson » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:47 pm

bhaveshgor wrote:look like attendance might not be great in Manchester, currently they are averaging 13K across all 4 days and capacity Attendance is over 25K.
Ticket prices are quite cheap or decent for england test as well, ticket around £30-40, loads of discount for family as well.

probably dependent on walk up sales now.


I believe there is ground work being done at Old Trafford, which may restrict the capacity. It's 26k if temporary seating is erected, otherwise it's 19k.
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Re: 1st Test England v Pakistan, Lord's 14-18 July

Postby Dr Cricket » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:51 pm

Yeah it is 26K because of the temporary seating.

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Re: 1st Test England v Pakistan, Lord's 14-18 July

Postby Dr Cricket » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:03 pm

Rashid, Stokes, Anderson in the squad.
no idea if anyone is dropped from the squad.

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Re: 1st Test England v Pakistan, Lord's 14-18 July

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:07 pm

Sympathetic to anyone who loses their job.

Selvey had become contaminated by his affiliations. His lurking menace below the line made the Guardian a bit of an unpleasant place to be. And he's told his stories once too many times. He was a good reporter and a great commentator once.
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Re: 1st Test England v Pakistan, Lord's 14-18 July

Postby hopeforthebest » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:12 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Sympathetic to anyone who loses their job.

Selvey had become contaminated by his affiliations. His lurking menace below the line made the Guardian a bit of an unpleasant place to be. And he's told his stories once too many times. He was a good reporter and a great commentator once.


Maybe he's lost his job for reasons other than cricket, may have been an ardent Brexit supporter and gloated at the referendum result jut once too often. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.
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Re: 1st Test England v Pakistan, Lord's 14-18 July

Postby Dr Cricket » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:24 pm

He would probably find a place else where as a freelance or in one of the specialist cricket papers or magazine.
won't get a job if he still writes like he did in recent time since those magazine and papers cater for the county fans and in general die hard cricket fans and in recent time those don't agree with Selvey views also they tend to be written from a young/student point of view think most of the writers are young except for pringle.

Suppose Selvey needs to choose now whether he still wants to be a journalist or retire, what ever he does good luck to him.

Selvey should find a job if he wants one but might not be the cushy job he had at guardian that he took for granted, he may actually have to watch more county, under 19 and womens games.

Think Berry might be the next man to go which would be sad to see I do actually respect him and he is a good journalist but most newspapers can only really afford one cricket correspondent and hault is probably telegraph man now.

Ali Martin probably the main guardian man now.

Suppose Selvey losing the bloggers, twitter and in general cricket supporters saw him go, it is bit weird to have so many people people criticise on twitter and on the comments section so guessing that played a part.

Do hope Selvey decides to work again since he could teach the younger cricket writers out there and I am sure he would love to still get to see cricket games for free and get paid for what he loves doing.

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Re: 1st Test England v Pakistan, Lord's 14-18 July

Postby Dr Cricket » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:38 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Sympathetic to anyone who loses their job.

Selvey had become contaminated by his affiliations. His lurking menace below the line made the Guardian a bit of an unpleasant place to be. And he's told his stories once too many times. He was a good reporter and a great commentator once.


Maybe he's lost his job for reasons other than cricket, may have been an ardent Brexit supporter and gloated at the referendum result jut once too often. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.


Could be with Guardian being an labour and in general remain newspaper although doubt it unless selvey broke rules for promoting political stuff in social media.
Guessing it is more of Selvey wage demands and not really needing 2 correspondents and decided he had to go.

Arthur will know more considering he reads the paper but don't they mostly use freelance people seen Tim Wigmore and the female journalist,that I forgotten the name off write for them before.
Using freelance staff is far more cheaper than using Selvey, plus Selvey is losing their current cricket readers which would have been a factor.

TBH a lot of cricket writers will lose jobs considering 10 yrs ago all the major papers had 3-5 cricket correspondents and now the papers could only really afford one or two.
the guy likely to replace Selvey got sacked from the Sun and TBH he probably deserves the promotion now considering he been the deputy correspondent doing small jobs for papers for close to 10 years now.

Although they been loads of job losses in times can't remember many changing careers or being out of the journalistic world many just moved to other papers or websites and I am sure Selvey will find work again.


Edit I hope Selvey coping ok with it since it looks like the news has hit him hard, his daughter literally joined twitter to wish him well which is very odd really.

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Re: 1st Test England v Pakistan, Lord's 14-18 July

Postby Dr Cricket » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:45 pm

Mike Selvey wrote a decent article today.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/ ... are_btn_tw

Some really good comments as well.
Wow - this article actually criticizes Cook, however gently, the sprinkler dance and potentially, gasp, even the ECB's possible lack of logic. Too little too late? Is it true Selvey has been sacked?

I agree with the posters above, that Selvey's genuine cricketing acumen and insights, especially with regard to fast bowling, were a cut above most of the other cricketer-journos.

Sadly, his legacy will remain tainted by the whole KP saga where Selvey seemed unable to be balanced about the role of the ECB and Cook in that fiasco.

Having said that, as a long time critic of Selvey's more politically oriented articles, I'm going to miss reading his articles here in my own way.

Goodbye Mr. Selvey. I assume we'll see you crop up at Cricinfo or some other website sometime soon. You'll probably have to learn that, because the Internet cuts across borders, you can't be as anglo-centric in your worldview if you do migrate to a more global site. Good luck.

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Re: 1st Test England v Pakistan, Lord's 14-18 July

Postby Dr Cricket » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:53 pm

In England news does anyone remember the last time england picked 14 players for a home test, clear signs selectors have no idea of their best team or combination considering they usually pick 12 players for the squad for a home test.

probably 3 changes for the next test as well.

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