Arthur Crabtree wrote:England players rarely do well, straight away, when coming in at a young age. Young players, even ones with talent, like Bell, Broad or Anderson, have an awful time adapting. Young players either disappear and come back, like Swann, or they just fade away. Mature players seem to adapt better, like Strauss and Trott. We'll see with Haseeb, and Duckett, but Cook is the only player I can think of who has resisted this trend this century.
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Or Ball. I suspect Finn is one of a couple of passengers in India, brought about by the plan to select a squad for two series.
England treated this series as preparation, and maybe that's what they got out of it. And now they have discovered not to pick Finn or Ballance.
sussexpob wrote:I think one player that Hales as naturally linked to in my mind is Marcus Trescothick. I see them as similar players, but one was born in an era with a coach who accepted players for their natural gifts, and another who's era conflicts with this coaching ideal that players arent born, but can be created and tailored.
Trescothick wasnt a textbook defensive technique guy. In fact, his technique always gave you a chance. But drift offline, short, onto his pads, he had shots to punish you. If you accepted that 5 times out of 10 when you bowled well, you got him, but then the other 5 times you dont bowl well and he was going to feast.
There is room for guys like Hales, but he needs to go and play natural. There is no doubt in my mind he has the shots to do the job.
alfie wrote:sussexpob wrote:I think one player that Hales as naturally linked to in my mind is Marcus Trescothick. I see them as similar players, but one was born in an era with a coach who accepted players for their natural gifts, and another who's era conflicts with this coaching ideal that players arent born, but can be created and tailored.
Trescothick wasnt a textbook defensive technique guy. In fact, his technique always gave you a chance. But drift offline, short, onto his pads, he had shots to punish you. If you accepted that 5 times out of 10 when you bowled well, you got him, but then the other 5 times you dont bowl well and he was going to feast.
There is room for guys like Hales, but he needs to go and play natural. There is no doubt in my mind he has the shots to do the job.
As a Hales fan I hope you are right. Suspect the opener's job will still be "open" after this tour so he may get another chance (I am a little disappointed they didn't add him to the squad for India ; but the lack of warm ups decreed that is impractical)
Seems to be curse on England openers ; will Duckett's fifty lead anywhere , I wonder...
alfie wrote:Well having picked Hameed for the tour (and I seem to recall almost universal approval for his selection at least in the media ) it would seem very strange if he weren't given a try now.
With hardly any batting cover he surely wasn't named in the touring party just for "experience" !
Alviro Patterson wrote:Well played to Bangladesh.
But can they take 10 wickets in a session on a cool and overcast spring in the North of England (or a cold Tuesday night in Stoke?)
cricketfan90 wrote:Pathetic, shambolic performance and collapse from England! Part of me is happy though that Bangladesh did manage the win
bhaveshgor wrote:cricketfan90 wrote:Pathetic, shambolic performance and collapse from England! Part of me is happy though that Bangladesh did manage the win
that is harsh really since England tried their best, not really the players fault if they are out of their debt in the conditions.
did people really expect an 2-0 win when their don't have the bowling or batting resources to compete consistently over 5 days.
Adi wrote:bhaveshgor wrote:cricketfan90 wrote:Pathetic, shambolic performance and collapse from England! Part of me is happy though that Bangladesh did manage the win
that is harsh really since England tried their best, not really the players fault if they are out of their debt in the conditions.
did people really expect an 2-0 win when their don't have the bowling or batting resources to compete consistently over 5 days.
Well i am also one of those who thought England will not lose a test here. England really played badly. 10 wickets in one session is not bit too much but lot too much.
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