sussexpob wrote:The real question England need to answer is why there are so many new cricketers coming into this side and looking so poor. Its clear that all of this overblown coaching and player progression nonsense is not working, as hardly anyone arrives at the top level with a technique or mindset suitable.
Yet in recent times, those responsible for this area gain influence. And the suggestions are the selectors will be done away with and the cricket academy boss, who has done literally nothing, will have more say.
Its not rocket science. Regardless of past form and test records, we need to return to an othrodox side of specialists, and we need a long hard look at who those players are and give them time as a team to gel.
Making_Splinters wrote:The short, and somewhat obvious answer is, there has been a huge transition to a focus on one day cricket at domestic level. I'd also throw in that the changes to the rules on overseas players have reduced the quality of players playing in the LVCC. Let's not forget that Hales averaged close to 50 for two championship seasons before coming into the Test team
KipperJohn wrote:I'd hazard a guess that Woakes might top the batting averages for England for this series....
Making_Splinters wrote: Heck there was a poster on here casting aspersions on Duckett after a single Test!
sussexpob wrote:Making_Splinters wrote:The short, and somewhat obvious answer is, there has been a huge transition to a focus on one day cricket at domestic level. I'd also throw in that the changes to the rules on overseas players have reduced the quality of players playing in the LVCC. Let's not forget that Hales averaged close to 50 for two championship seasons before coming into the Test team
The culture in England though is that test players conform to a certain type. Hales was instructed to bat like Mike Atherton, and quite clearly he wasnt a defensive type player. We have seen in the initial ODI career, Hales also was the same. Yet when he became uncaged, he looks a class act. Asking him to bat like a snail then criticising his defensive technique, well what do we expect? Your asking him to show qualities he doesnt have.... What he does have is attacking quality, lets see that!
So Hales is 11 tests into a career, has largely failed, but at no stage do I think I have ever seen Alex Hales bat properly. Would Australia ask Dave Warner to bat like Mike Atherton, or do they say "look, this guy plays shots, he'll get out and he'll get 100s, we have to accept that"????
Id give Hales another go and tell him to play natural.
Aidan11 wrote:KipperJohn wrote:I'd hazard a guess that Woakes might top the batting averages for England for this series.... :)
Yup -55.00. Next best was Stokes with 32.00 :lol:
sussexpob wrote:Making_Splinters wrote: Heck there was a poster on here casting aspersions on Duckett after a single Test!
This comes back to the point I was making about picking the right people. We threw away our top prospects by not showing adequate patience, so when everyone knows you are scraping the barrel, the level of patience is reduced.
Do the selectors really back Duckett and think he is going to be a test player? I doubt it, not that I am saying he isnt, but the selectors clearly are going to give him a handful of tests to magic up a few centuries, or hes cast off.
Hence why they need to say, here is out best 6 batsman regardless of test records that have passed.... and we are going to give all of them a very defined role in the side, no mix and matching, and then give them 20 tests.
sussexpob wrote:Making_Splinters wrote: Heck there was a poster on here casting aspersions on Duckett after a single Test!
This comes back to the point I was making about picking the right people. We threw away our top prospects by not showing adequate patience, so when everyone knows you are scraping the barrel, the level of patience is reduced.
Do the selectors really back Duckett and think he is going to be a test player? I doubt it, not that I am saying he isnt, but the selectors clearly are going to give him a handful of tests to magic up a few centuries, or hes cast off.
Hence why they need to say, here is out best 6 batsman regardless of test records that have passed.... and we are going to give all of them a very defined role in the side, no mix and matching, and then give them 20 tests.
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