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then really people had high hopes that were not really justified or really likely to happen.
yes they had a good start, although mostly because of poor bowling, when ban got it in the right area scoring runs or surviving would be tricky especially when root and Cook were dismissed.

budgetmeansbudget wrote:

Adi wrote:

bhaveshgor wrote:

cricketfan90 wrote:Pathetic, shambolic performance and collapse from England! Part of me is happy though that Bangladesh did manage the win

that is harsh really since England tried their best, not really the players fault if they are out of their debt in the conditions.
did people really expect an 2-0 win when their don't have the bowling or batting resources to compete consistently over 5 days.

Well i am also one of those who thought England will not lose a test here. England really played badly. 10 wickets in one session is not bit too much but lot too much.

The thing is they did all the hard work to get to 100 for 0, the shambolic then applies to what happened after that. Someone mentioned us skittling the Aussies, but that was pretty much from ball one. This was probably worse in that the openers had put in the hard yards and set the innings up. We certainly top the rankings at fourth innings capitulations if nothing else.

Every team does that, not just England. India lost 6 wickets for 16 runs after Sachin got out and we lost to Pak.

bhaveshgor wrote:Lol seems like Shakib already counting the cash with his celebration, so many people in bangladesh doing the shakib salute, although shouldn't that be called marlon salute.

What's the common denominator? Stokes. ...

Good to see him fined 15% of his match fee. The abuse he constantly dishes out to batsmen is tiresome. The thing is he can dish it out but he can't take it. When Samuels replied to him with a few choice words poor Ben moaned in his autobiography that marlon had no respect. Stokes is one of the most unlikeable cricketers I have ever watched.

Well looks stokes and the ban players get on considering the tweets after the game.

I was never confident we would chase it, but at 100-0 I was beginning to feel like we would. Then the inevitable collapse came. Bring on India

mikesiva wrote:

bhaveshgor wrote:Lol seems like Shakib already counting the cash with his celebration, so many people in bangladesh doing the shakib salute, although shouldn't that be called marlon salute.

What's the common denominator? Stokes. ...

Good to see him fined 15% of his match fee. The abuse he constantly dishes out to batsmen is tiresome. The thing is he can dish it out but he can't take it. When Samuels replied to him with a few choice words poor Ben moaned in his autobiography that marlon had no respect. Stokes is one of the most unlikeable cricketers I have ever watched.

And Samuels is a top bloke!!

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Or Ball. I suspect Finn is one of a couple of passengers in India, brought about by the plan to select a squad for two series.

England treated this series as preparation, and maybe that's what they got out of it. And now they have discovered not to pick Finn or Ballance.

What about Rashid? He was averaging 63 before today (figures helped by mopping up an extremely poor Bangladesh tail) and went at nearly 4 and half an over against a very ordinary batting lineup on tailor made surfaces for spin bowling. And India is a nightmare for wrist spinners anyway. Surely Rayner or Leach would be better.

Being away, I haven't followed this one at all. Losing wasn't that much of a surprise, but being skittled for 160 after a hundred opening partnership certainly was.

Hey ho..... well done to Bangladesh. I have no doubt it was well deserved

Some good analysis here guys. I'll join the chorus and say well done Bangladesh, 1-1 was probably a fair series result. Iqbal and Mehndi Hassan were standouts - the latter clearly has the potential to be around for a long, long time and cause a lot of batting sides problems, not just England.

That said, it should not have been that bad. England should not have been chasing 270 - there were chances put down, poor field placings, and a lack of confidence in the entire bowling line up. And given that we made it to 100-0, the pitch was clearly not a minefield. It was possible to score runs. England made it too easy.

There does appear to be no long term selection plan, but that must be in part due to the fallout from tours like this, and India, where we will lose, and lose badly. There are always demands for heads to roll. Ballance will have to make way, as he's clearly had his opportunity and failed to take it, but the selectors need to start a long term plan for fixing our top order. You can't win too many test matches when you're consistently 3 or 4 down for less than 75, no matter how deep you bat.

bhaveshgor wrote:then really people had high hopes that were not really justified or really likely to happen.
yes they had a good start, although mostly because of poor bowling, when ban got it in the right area scoring runs or surviving would be tricky especially when root and Cook were dismissed.

You keep imposing these assertions on what England fans are thinking. As noted elsewhere, numerous times I might add, England fans are all too aware of their weaknesses as a side. I think most wouldn't have expected us to collapse into a heap, but most of us have long enough memories to know it could happen.

Making_Splinters wrote:

bhaveshgor wrote:then really people had high hopes that were not really justified or really likely to happen.
yes they had a good start, although mostly because of poor bowling, when ban got it in the right area scoring runs or surviving would be tricky especially when root and Cook were dismissed.

You keep imposing these assertions on what England fans are thinking. As noted elsewhere, numerous times I might add, England fans are all too aware of their weaknesses as a side. I think most wouldn't have expected us to collapse into a heap, but most of us have long enough memories to know it could happen.

Did you read the comment above, since that post was in response to someone calling the display pathetic.
not really sure what people expected from england in a series where they have no spinners and most batsman not capable of playing spin.
1-1 is a fair result and if anything england were lucky to get a win.

bhaveshgor wrote:

Making_Splinters wrote:

bhaveshgor wrote:then really people had high hopes that were not really justified or really likely to happen.
yes they had a good start, although mostly because of poor bowling, when ban got it in the right area scoring runs or surviving would be tricky especially when root and Cook were dismissed.

You keep imposing these assertions on what England fans are thinking. As noted elsewhere, numerous times I might add, England fans are all too aware of their weaknesses as a side. I think most wouldn't have expected us to collapse into a heap, but most of us have long enough memories to know it could happen.

Did you read the comment above, since that post was in response to someone calling the display pathetic.
not really sure what people expected from england in a series where they have no spinners and most batsman not capable of playing spin.
1-1 is a fair result and if anything england were lucky to get a win.

I wouldn't see a problem with describing the collapse as pathetic, to bottle it after the openers had, for once, done a decent job is simply not acceptable when you have a middle order of Stokes, Root and Bairstow. I rarely agree with, Sussex's ire towards Stokes, but his approach was frankly irresponsible and hugely disappointing from someone who had just the Test match before played a mature an match winning hand.

England fans on here are rather pessimistic rather than realistic, so, no. Your narrative is strikingly different from what is being talked about.

clearly not pessimistic if they expected england to win 2-0 and kept on playing pakistan down last summer even when england were being crap. people were even playing down bangladesh after the first test.

I didn't see a great deal of playing Pakistan down during last summer, must be like Nepal's first class structure, or the Emperor's new clothes and I'm simply one of the plebs who can't see it.

Making_Splinters wrote:I didn't see a great deal of playing Pakistan down during last summer, must be like Nepal's first class structure, or the Emperor's new clothes and I'm simply one of the plebs who can't see it.

well you clearly didn't read the edgebaston test thread.
had a massive argument with couple of people from this thread.