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India got Vijay, Pujara, Rahane, Ashwin, Rahul + the lower order that can all score runs.
Rashid only gotten one wicket more so not like been incredible, yes they might win a game but they would need a bowler threatening on day 2-3 and some part of day 4.
Rashid isn't the option on first innings.
like I said earlier England need to be able to attack and still defend at the same time. England don't have the bowlers that can do that.
Ali not the same bowler when bowling to defensive field, Rashid not really a threat either and prefer the ball turning and doubts remain if he can do both jobs of attacking and defending so far he can't and even then if lets say england got 200 to defend on day 5 the question will be can Ali, Rashid get 10 wickets to win a game.
Both have never won a game before in asia and pretty certain india would put pressure on them like the bangladesh batsman did and can Cook plus the spinners handle it.

At the moment would say england should look at drawing Mohali first and then see how the series goes.
Really can't see india losing in Mumbai or chennai the only hope they got is that mumbai been india bogey ground and a great ground for england. but when you look at Mumbai characteristics they should easily win that same with Chennai.
Mohali england best chance of competing but even then like Shastri said on comms, Mohali groundsman is very happy to produce wickets to suit india and you can never count england picking the wrong team in mohali especially if they pick 4 seam bowlers and it turn out to be slow and low with loads of turn.

Mumbai, Chennai should be a very good ground for india since the ball turns and bounce from day 1 and it got good pace to score quick runs as well, so if india bat well there the game could get ugly especially if Ashwin enjoys the conditions.

India only lost one game at mohali as well, got a good record in Chennai.
only Mumbai dodgy and that ground suits india more than england.

India record at mumbai
won 10 lost 7 and drew 7
in general mumbai been the only ground in india where they struggle.
India record at chennai
won 13 lost 6 draw 11 and 1 tie.
last 20 years in chennai
1 defeat, 6 wins and 4 draws.

great record in Chennai and Mohali.
Mumbai only place where india don't like the place and england do.

all the toss talk annoying me so here the stats.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... ;type=team
when opposition win the toss in india during the last 20 yrs.
9 Wins 32 times india won the game when they lost the toss and 14 draws
England not won a test in india in the last 20 yrs winning a toss lol.
So it clearly doesn't affect india losing the toss.
now when india win the toss.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... ;type=team
so opposition won 7 times when losing the toss, so only winning the toss is what 1 or 2 percent likely to increase the chances of winning and india won 31 times and 18 draws.

so in summary opposition winning the toss india 32 wins 9 losses
losing the toss india 31 wins 7 losses

yeah Toss is massive in india and will increase england chances of winning lol.

Does anyone really give a toss

Gingerfinch wrote:Does anyone really give a toss

sadly I do when so many people are acting like if england won the toss they be winning the games or have a crazy chance of winning games when sadly they don't since whatever happens india still wins the games, the toss makes no difference what so ever.

bhaveshgor wrote:

Gingerfinch wrote:Does anyone really give a toss

sadly I do when so many people are acting like if england won the toss they be winning the games or have a crazy chance of winning games when sadly they don't since whatever happens india still wins the games, the toss makes no difference what so ever.

Well we lost easily, so I doubt winning the toss would have made much difference.

Gingerfinch wrote:

bhaveshgor wrote:

Gingerfinch wrote:Does anyone really give a toss

sadly I do when so many people are acting like if england won the toss they be winning the games or have a crazy chance of winning games when sadly they don't since whatever happens india still wins the games, the toss makes no difference what so ever.

Well we lost easily, so I doubt winning the toss would have made much difference.

it doesn't like the ratio proves.
3.5 india win Draw 1.5 and opposition win 1 so india gets a favourable result 5 times more than opposition winning and india losing the toss sees them winning 3.5 games more then when the opposition wins.
india winning the toss sees 4.4 india win, 2.7 for the draw and opposition win 1 so if india wins the toss they are 7.1 times more likely for a favourable result but the win rate is quite similar.
so in a weird way for the opposition it is more better for them to lose the toss so they more likely to get the draw or the win, but the toss is more likely for india to come out with a win or a draw.
So how it is a must win toss all the time in india or how if you win the toss you increase your chances is the biggest myth I have ever heard in my life.

I highly doubt England winning a toss or losing a toss makes any difference to them winning a game or losing a game in india.
even if they win the toss they still need the bowlers to take wickets and the batsman to score runs.
IF rashid is so great and will win a test with the ball, he could easily win a game for england if england lose the toss.

This doesn't chance the fact team would like to bat first though since everyone in the planet would bat first since no one would like to chase 250 on the last day but not the end of the world if you lose the toss since if you got better spinners or batsman you will outbat and outball the opposition before day 5 or the 2nd innings even comes to it.

willis is an idiot win the toss win the match pitch this guy an idiot if he thinks england winning on this pitch by winning the toss.

bhaveshgor wrote:willis is an idiot win the toss win the match pitch this guy an idiot if he thinks england winning on this pitch by winning the toss.

Winning the toss is obviously an advantage on a pitch that gradually gets worse

Our first innings was appalling in this match though on a pitch that wasn't doing much at the time, had we batted that badly after winning the toss we would have lost anyway

Think the key word is gradual there.
IE not much of a difference between each days so again the better batting team and better bowling team should win the test irrespective of the toss.
literally no difference to pitches in england with grass, or overcast conditions where the pitch gradually gets better where batting first is a disadvantage.
Didn't see many calling england pitches win the toss and win the game or even spout crap like the toss is so massive that it basically decides the game in england.

bhaveshgor wrote:Think the key word is gradual there.
IE not much of a difference between each days so again the better batting team and better bowling team should win the test irrespective of the toss.
literally no difference to pitches in england with grass, or overcast conditions where the pitch gradually gets better where batting first is a disadvantage.
Didn't see many calling england pitches win the toss and win the game or even spout crap like the toss is so massive that it basically decides the game in england.

Because swing has nothing to do with the pitch

And they very rarely have grass on in england these days

The ECB likes 5 day games so they can charge people extortionate amounts for tickets, drinks and food

The repetitiveness of this debate is really making me not want to visit this forum.

Im sure that others are frustrated as well. Can we just not make a point, and then let others have their say and then leave it at that?

Flooding a topic with the same point is annoying and for me is ruining the whole discussion. Lively debate is good, but one has to accept that people will have a different view point sometimes

If one has a grievance about peoples views in the media, or something similar, please right about it in a blog. But in the match section can we just talk about the match with out saying the same thing 100 times? Everyone is entitled to an opinion, one might not agree with it, and can argue against it, but please can we stop going on and on and on about it.

bhaveshgor wrote:willis is an idiot win the toss win the match pitch this guy an idiot if he thinks england winning on this pitch by winning the toss.

It appears that everyone's an idiot except yourself presumably.

bhaveshgor wrote:Think the key word is gradual there.
IE not much of a difference between each days so again the better batting team and better bowling team should win the test irrespective of the toss.
literally no difference to pitches in england with grass, or overcast conditions where the pitch gradually gets better where batting first is a disadvantage.
Didn't see many calling england pitches win the toss and win the game or even spout crap like the toss is so massive that it basically decides the game in england.

To be honest most will say if you lose the toss and get put in under grey skies in England, then you're at a big disadvantage.