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4th test: England vs India, Mumbai

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:41 pm
by andy
Match thread for the 4th test at Mumbai, happy discussing!!

Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:01 pm
by Arthur Crabtree
The England team is tired. So fatigued that the players need to fly to Dubai for a few days before the fourth Test. This is the event for which England supporters traditionally arrive, the Mumbai Test, at one of the legendary venues of the grand old game, The Wankhede Stadium. And England are promised that the spin that has troubled them so far will only turn sooner and faster there and in the final leg at Chennai.

And England are already backed into a cul-de-sac, 2-0 down with two to play and their squad damaged by uncertainty and injury. Yet the Wankhede isn't a bad ground for England, having won (and lost) three times there.

The first victory http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63262.html is famous for one of the great all round performances, by Ian Botham, who scored 114 and took 13-106 in a ten wicket England win to conclusively triumph in his battle of the all rounders with Kapil Dev. In this year's version, Ravi Ashwin is triumphing over Ben Stokes, if only because his efforts have led to an unbeatable series advantage.

The next England win in 2006, http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/238187.html is best remembered for Shaun Udal's 4-14 as India deflated hideously to lose by 212 runs on a big spinning last day pitch (though Owais Shah may recall his debut differently). But James Anderson will have good memories on return having taken six wickets.

England can't get too fixated on the toss. They batted second http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/565807.html in a big candidate for their most treasured ever win in India, by ten wickets in Mumbai in 2012. A returning Monty Panesar had his best game for his country as he and Graeme Swann took the last nineteen Indian wickets to fall, once Anderson had dismissed Gautam Gambhir with the second ball of the game. And Kevin Pietersen's furious 186 was rated by mechanics of a Great Innings Formula to have played one of the best ten Test knocks ever. Though Alastair Cook's 122 will resonate more meaningfully next Thursday.

Should Keaton Jennings make his debut on the 8th, he can reflect that half of the England batters to have made tons at the Wankhede were born in Southern Africa. And Alastair Cook can fret that no one has made two there for his side. The arriving Liam Dawson can draw inspiration from fellow left armers Derek Underwood's ten wickets there at 22.7 and Monty Panesar's 12 wickets at 23.2. Apart from Anderson and Botham, spin has dominated.

Since 2010, pace has taken only seven wickets for India in Mumbai, averaging 12 overs per fast bowler per innings. In 2012 against England, India went into the game with only one pace bowler. And they lost. But this time the risk will hardly exist. So expect to see the Indian pace bowlers doing a lot of fielding. Only an English optimist would bet on England this time around, and they will lose their money.

Re: 4th test: England vs India, Mumbai

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:52 pm
by sussexpob
It seems we have a dual thread, as Arthur has already posted something

Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:55 pm
by sussexpob
Question for the Indians. Why is Mumbai so infrequently used for tests?

Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:58 pm
by sussexpob
This is where the whole myth of Indian conditions really start to come to the fore. Mumbai will turn, I expect big, with bounce and a bit more pace in the wicket. Yet on these types of pitches, batting can be a lottery, and the worst of spinners made to look good. Hence why at Mumbai I think England have a chance if they bat well. I cant see either team making huge runs, the ball will do too much even for poor spinners in England's control.

What a cracking innings that was from KP, btw. Hit the Indian spinners around for fun.

Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:10 pm
by andy
was my thread not good enough :'(

Re: 4th test: England vs India, Mumbai

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:12 pm
by andy
yeah i did mine first lol..but oh well

Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:37 pm
by Aidan11
Both threads now merged.

Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:38 pm
by Aidan11
Either way India will win.

Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:02 pm
by Arthur Crabtree
andy wrote:was my thread not good enough :'(


Sorry. When I started mine, there wasn't one.

Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:30 pm
by andy
lol i was only messing mate

Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:46 pm
by sussexpob
andy wrote:was my thread not good enough :'(


Arthur wrote more

Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:48 pm
by Aidan11
This thread is already more interesting than our batting.

Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:48 pm
by Arthur Crabtree
Andy made fewer spelling mistakes.

Re: Fourth Test: India v England, 8-12 Dec.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:49 pm
by Arthur Crabtree
And wins on alphabetical order. Now.