England vs India A, Jan 10-12

[hopeforthebest]

Lack of quality spin continues to plague England's team in India and add to that the batsmens struggle against spin.

[rich1uk]

Lack of quality spin continues to plague England's team in India and add to that the batsmens struggle against spin.

i just dont see who we have atm that morgan could throw the ball to, set a defensive field and ask to get a few tight overs to build some pressure

one of the reasons i think we need to be chasing to have any chance as i haven't got alot of confidence that our bowlers can defend a target

[Arthur Crabtree]

With it being an early game, there shouldn't be any dew issues, so no excuses.

[dan08]

Thrashed by India A. And to think i thought we'd have a chance of winning this series...

[Arthur Crabtree]

Doesn't really mean that much. But even so, it's a tough ask.

[rich1uk]

bit of a worry when you use 7 bowlers, none of them part-timers and not a single one is able to keep their economy rate under a run a ball

i agree AC that in real terms it might not mean alot, warmup games are more about shaking off any rust, but its still a worrying sign

[Arthur Crabtree]

England's bowlers (or even, bowlers full stop) haven't had that ability for a while. I'd be surprised if any of the England bowlers apart from Moeen, go at less than a run a ball. It's down to the batters to match what other teams can do.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Doing them a disservice actually. only CJ goes at more than a run a ball.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

Since last WC.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Though their econs are pretty standard (games between top nine sides). I wouldn't include Narine as he's a ban waiting to happen. Mitch and haze stand out, otherwise England's economy is the same as everyone else's. Though Rashid is expensive for a spinner (takes wickets though.

Since last WC.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

[Arthur Crabtree]

England's problem is they don't take enough wickets. There's no one here in the top half of the SRs.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

[rich1uk]

dont know if this is backed up by stats i just dont feel we have a bowler in ODI cricket that can win a game for you in the same way we have 3 or 4 batsmen that can

our bowling just feels like its a case of damage limitation and hope we can out-score the opposition

kinda like the old school brazil football team, dont care how many we concede we'll back ourselves to score more than the opponents do

[Slipstream]

I think Ball is a better white ball bowler than Woakes but Woakes is in for his runs as well.

Wickets taken Batsmen 1-3
Woakes 39.7%
Willey 58.6%

No one better than Vaas at getting out the top order 60.3%, so Willey has an outstanding record so far.

[Arthur Crabtree]

I suspect they're disappearing from the game. Starc maybe is the last. Possibly Tahir at the back end of the innings.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Not sure Ball has played enough to know, yet.

Home and away too, England's bowlers should be a bit more potent in the first 6-7 overs at home.

[rich1uk]

I think Ball is a better white ball bowler than Woakes but Woakes is in for his runs as well.

Wickets taken Batsmen 1-3
Woakes 39.7%
Willey 58.6%

No one better than Vaas at getting out the top order 60.3%, so Willey has an outstanding record so far.

i do really rate willey as a new ball bowler in limited over cricket, its after those first 10-15 overs we dont seem to be able to control the game or capitalise on taking early wickets

again i dont know if stats back this up but just seems to be alot of occasions where we get teams 3 or 4 down but cant finish them off and still end up conceding challenging totals