1st ODI: India v England at Pune on Jan 15, 2017

[Dilbert]

SA have chased 350+ 2 times, India have done it 3 times.
4/5 chases have been against Aus though !

Eng's stats are much more impressive recently
9 Totals of 350 or more for England in ODIs - seven of them have come since the end of the 2015 World Cup, in 34 games. All other teams have made only nine such totals in all in this period. This was England's 15th 300-plus total since the 2015 World Cup, also the most by any team; the next-best is nine
This clearly shows the resurgence of the English team in ODIs, something they neither took seriously, nor did their opponents took them seriously.

[Dr Cricket]

Yep england have been amazing since the last world cup.
in a way with this defeat, england could probably score 400 in first innings and destroy india for good or england will collapse aiming for 400.
Morgan suggested England lost this game because the batsman slowed down in the middle overs and they could have accelerated earlier.

[Durhamfootman]

I thought this was a 5 match series, but it seems I was wrong

[Arthur Crabtree]

Three T20s.

[rich1uk]

gonna miss the first half of the next game due to a doctor's appointment

cant see rashid playing, morgan looked scared to bowl him and cant have someone in the XI the captain has no confidence in

expect dawson will play and see if he can have more success keeping it tight

[Arthur Crabtree]

That's on Thursday. Quite a big gap.

[alfie]

gonna miss the first half of the next game due to a doctor's appointment

cant see rashid playing, morgan looked scared to bowl him and cant have someone in the XI the captain has no confidence in

expect dawson will play and see if he can have more success keeping it tight

"Keeping it tight " seems a bit of a stretch for anyone in the conditions now apparently mandated for limited over cricket...
Dawson could hardly be more expensive than Rashid was yesterday but in fairness he was hardly alone in that !

I didn't stay up for the later stages but I am wondering if there was anything Morgan could have done differently ? At one stage it was about run a ball required and from the replays (notably a Moeen over that yielded six safe singles ) that I watched there didn't seem to be many fielders set to prevent the single : surely (given your opponents are not silly ) the only way you can hope to win in such circumstances is to restrict
singles and force them to go over the top ? (The way this match went that would probably have resulted in India winning a couple of overs earlier ; but I'd have thought even a minuscule chance of forcing an error was preferable to an inevitable - if more drawn out - defeat ? )
Obviously different if there is something there for the bowlers ; but there didn't appear to be last night.

Wasn't too surprised India got the runs (though at 63/4 I thought England were nearly home and dry !) because I still feel their ODI bowling is fairly ordinary , unlike the batting. Took a super effort from Kholi and the surprising Jadhav though : perhaps whoever chased was going to win that match.

Would be nice to hope just a little more for the bowlers on Thursday ( big scores can be fun , but I don't want them every week !) but I'm not holding my breath.

[Arthur Crabtree]

I'd be a bit surprised if Rashid was dropped, after he had such a good year. Tough for the spinners though on such a tiny ground.

[rich1uk]

I didn't stay up for the later stages but I am wondering if there was anything Morgan could have done differently ? At one stage it was about run a ball required and from the replays (notably a Moeen over that yielded six safe singles ) that I watched there didn't seem to be many fielders set to prevent the single : surely (given your opponents are not silly ) the only way you can hope to win in such circumstances is to restrict
singles and force them to go over the top ? (The way this match went that would probably have resulted in India winning a couple of overs earlier ; but I'd have thought even a minuscule chance of forcing an error was preferable to an inevitable - if more drawn out - defeat ? )
Obviously different if there is something there for the bowlers ; but there didn't appear to be last night.

made a few comments to this effect in this thread

was almost screaming at the TV for morgan to try and get men in positions to stop the singles, it was far too easy for kohli and jahdav to just milk 1s and 2s and then punish the bad ball

with small boundaries and how confident batsmen are about just taking on the shots anyway then as you say we needed to try and stop the easy singles and make them work for the runs, and we didn't do that, even when it got to the last 10 overs and the rate required was under a run a ball we weren't doing enough to stop the singles

i agree with the comment morgan made about them maybe hitting the accelerator sooner whilst batting rather than just wait til the last 10 overs but we lost a couple of key wickets in that period around the 40 over mark which made it hard to really go for it, end of the day we got the target most people were happy with. i'm finding it hard to blame the batsmen when there were too many poor deliveries from the bowlers that were just asking to be hit

i know keeping it tight might just be a relative term in the context of that game, but you cant have one of your main bowlers that the captain looks scared to bowl

[rich1uk]

I'd be a bit surprised if Rashid was dropped, after he had such a good year. Tough for the spinners though on such a tiny ground.

what happens in the next game AC if he gets whacked around again in his first couple of overs and morgan has to take him off ?

i know we shouldn't pick sides on the assumption of failure and if rashid is picked he needs to be backed to do his job, he wasn't yesterday tho and same will happen on thursday if he struggles early.

[budgetmeansbudget]

Hopefully 3 odi's and 3 t20's will become the norm from now on.

[GGAS]

Hopefully 3 odi's and 3 t20's will become the norm from now on.

Agree. 7 and even 5 ODI series go on far too long for me.

Nice to see England briefly looking capable of winning yesterday. Maybe we'll sneak one by the end of the series.

[meninblue]

At one point of time England bowlers won them the match by defending low scores compared to modern ODI scores, when batters failed to post big scores.

Now it feels that the batters have to win the matches for England by ensuring they post a good target to ensure bowlers have enough cushion to defeat a total.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Hardly any point going back for this three match series though. Why not just play them as a curtain-raiser for the Tests?

[Arthur Crabtree]

At one point of time England bowlers won them the match by defending low scores compared to modern ODI scores, when batters failed to post big scores.

Now it feels that the batters have to win the matches for England by ensuring they post a good target to ensure bowlers have enough cushion to defeat a total.

Worth letting the bowlers have the chance to evolve their game. As I said (with links earlier on this thread I think) only a very small handful of bowlers are doing any better than the England attack. It's a batters game everywhere. They lost a toss that may well have had an impact on the result. Aside from bringing Plunkett in for Ball (that felt like an odd decision) I'm not sure there's much facility for improving the side. Maybe Dawson for Ball if it's a slow pitch (and bigger boundaries?) and there's not likely to be dew.