India v England T20s. January 2017.

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Re: India v England T20s. January 2017.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:00 pm

Not really- in my opinion. 8-8 is a stand out bad day, but no way have England been hitting that consistent level of ineptitude that was once their trademark. They've been ok in the limited overs stuff, if finally disappointing.
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Re: India v England T20s. January 2017.

Postby hopeforthebest » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:31 pm

I think in white ball cricket England have shown that the batsmen have the talent but do they have the nous to go with it. Today was a day for nous to appear and there was little sight of it.
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Re: India v England T20s. January 2017.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:36 pm

You can't defend their performance. But it wasn't all that typical of how they've been playing.
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Re: India v England T20s. January 2017.

Postby rich1uk » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:04 am

this must be why Bayliss is getting paid the big bucks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38829551

if only we had thought of that and mentioned it a few thousand times in the last couple of years
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Re: India v England T20s. January 2017.

Postby meninblue » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:35 am

rich1uk wrote:this must be why Bayliss is getting paid the big bucks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38829551

if only we had thought of that and mentioned it a few thousand times in the last couple of years


He wont accept that he is alos a part of issue if things regarding spin have not changed. This is safest way for him to point fingers at just playerswhile keeping himslef blameless.
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Re: India v England T20s. January 2017.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:30 am

Didn't they get that message in UAE in 2012?
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Re: India v England T20s. January 2017.

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:25 pm

Well, how are England going to learn to play spin? Where is the long term plan to get our players extensive experience doing that? It sure as hell not in the LVCC where a pitch anywhere close to what players will face in the sub continent will get you a fine.
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Re: India v England T20s. January 2017.

Postby Durhamfootman » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:29 pm

Making_Splinters wrote:Well, how are England going to learn to play spin? Where is the long term plan to get our players extensive experience doing that? It sure as hell not in the LVCC where a pitch anywhere close to what players will face in the sub continent will get you a fine.

been a long time since that's happened, I think. Look at Aigburth in Lancs title winning year, or Taunton last year, where the pitches were such minefields that it was hard getting a CC game to last 2 days... no penalties for anyone. Part of me thinks that many div 1 matches will be played on increasingly spin friendly pitches this season, with 2-3 day matches the norm once we get past May.

Perhaps that's okay from an England batting perspective, but it's a pigging outrage for the silly sods who pay their dues each year expecting to get something approaching value for money. I'd have a lot more sympathy for the plight of the England batsmen if the ECB subsidised membership fees for counties who support the cause by preparing these spin friendly 2 day pitches, so that the members of these counties aren't being robbed blind in the process.... but the ECB, of course, only has a paltry £70million in reserves, so they'd find that hard to fund
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Re: India v England T20s. January 2017.

Postby hopeforthebest » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:51 pm

rich1uk wrote:this must be why Bayliss is getting paid the big bucks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38829551

if only we had thought of that and mentioned it a few thousand times in the last couple of years


I gave up on Bayliss a long time ago and his blaming this 8 wicket collapse on playing spin poorly is laughable. They lost those wickets thorough stupid play encouraged by the constant cry from Bayliss to be positive. The situation called for calm thinking and none of them had it in them.
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Re: India v England T20s. January 2017.

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:40 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:
rich1uk wrote:this must be why Bayliss is getting paid the big bucks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38829551

if only we had thought of that and mentioned it a few thousand times in the last couple of years


I gave up on Bayliss a long time ago and his blaming this 8 wicket collapse on playing spin poorly is laughable. They lost those wickets thorough stupid play encouraged by the constant cry from Bayliss to be positive. The situation called for calm thinking and none of them had it in them.


To be honest, you can't have it both ways. You can have an England side that will score and chase big runs but will occasionally implode - I'd say the former is far more likely than the later given scores over the last year - or you can have a side that won't do that but will play with circumspect.
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Re: India v England T20s. January 2017.

Postby hopeforthebest » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:41 pm

Making_Splinters wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:
rich1uk wrote:this must be why Bayliss is getting paid the big bucks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38829551

if only we had thought of that and mentioned it a few thousand times in the last couple of years


I gave up on Bayliss a long time ago and his blaming this 8 wicket collapse on playing spin poorly is laughable. They lost those wickets thorough stupid play encouraged by the constant cry from Bayliss to be positive. The situation called for calm thinking and none of them had it in them.


To be honest, you can't have it both ways. You can have an England side that will score and chase big runs but will occasionally implode - I'd say the former is far more likely than the later given scores over the last year - or you can have a side that won't do that but will play with circumspect.


So you say it's impossible to play an innings that contains both positivity and circumspection when required in the same innings. Surely the ability to play that way separates the best players from the ordinary.
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Re: India v England T20s. January 2017.

Postby hopeforthebest » Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:16 am

Morgan criticised his team-mates for going for big shots from the off, saying: "It might have taken some smarter cricket to get something going and wrestle back momentum."-

It appears at least one person agrees with me.
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Re: India v England T20s. January 2017.

Postby alfie » Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:17 am

Have to admit I saw none of this match (got the days mixed up , thought it was on Thursday ! Perhaps lucky :) )

But : surely once the two established batsmen, Root and Morgan , plus Buttler , had fallen ; and they needed about 15 per over , the game was effectively over ? The remaining bats had a choice between playing "sensible" cricket and losing by 30-40 runs - or having a swing and hoping to get lucky ? Messy ; and not a good look ; but it hardly means the team is rubbish or the general approach is wrong...

Everyone knows they struggle against spin. So does Australia ; so does SA - and the subcontinental teams can't handle Australian bounce , or English pitches when it seams. Not to say you shouldn't try to improve this ; but the priority is going to be settling a team that can get results in the conditions in which they play most often : in limited overs , generally pretty anodyne.

I'd put this one aside as a bad day rather than look to mess around with a team that is generally doing fairly well. Think the bowling could do with a bit of tweaking ; but Roy/Hales/Root/Morgan/Buttler/Stokes strikes me as a hard lineup to improve upon...
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Re: India v England T20s. January 2017.

Postby hopeforthebest » Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:21 pm

alfie wrote:Have to admit I saw none of this match (got the days mixed up , thought it was on Thursday ! Perhaps lucky :) )

But : surely once the two established batsmen, Root and Morgan , plus Buttler , had fallen ; and they needed about 15 per over , the game was effectively over ? The remaining bats had a choice between playing "sensible" cricket and losing by 30-40 runs - or having a swing and hoping to get lucky ? Messy ; and not a good look ; but it hardly means the team is rubbish or the general approach is wrong...

Everyone knows they struggle against spin. So does Australia ; so does SA - and the subcontinental teams can't handle Australian bounce , or English pitches when it seams. Not to say you shouldn't try to improve this ; but the priority is going to be settling a team that can get results in the conditions in which they play most often : in limited overs , generally pretty anodyne.

I'd put this one aside as a bad day rather than look to mess around with a team that is generally doing fairly well. Think the bowling could do with a bit of tweaking ; but Roy/Hales/Root/Morgan/Buttler/Stokes strikes me as a hard lineup to improve upon...


After Morgan's dismissal Root's careless play to the very next delivery set the whole thing in motion. The asking rate was just over 10 an over so well within the capacity of the remaining batsmen even if they took a ball or two to calm the situation.
Clearly the batsmen gave up by simply resorting to wild swipes that never could succeed, giving up when only 4 down was a disgrace and blaming their attitude on an inability to play spin on a non spinning wicket was crass.
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