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I guess Root wanted a second new ball.

Not many were predicting West Indies would get that.

Pretty amazing. After seeing Moeen's over last night I thought the spin would win the game if all else failed.

Well done and congratulations WI, particularly Shai, Kkraig and Mikesiva. Not forgetting some sterling work from the pace bowlers. Should be entertaining to watch the highlights.

Four day Tests? Great idea!

Congrats to the WIndies. Full credit is due for the way they held their nerve when it seemed as though the tide was turning in England's favour.

I love it when England's arrogant press/media get things so very, very wrong, and end up looking like turnips... arrogant turnips. It's just a shame that the team has to suffer for the mistakes of others.

All to play for

ianp1970 wrote:

Aidan11 wrote:300 lead.

Not sure why there is talk of a declaration. Very risky.

Can't see Windies going at 3.35 runs per over, even if they get close we should be able to see the game out defensively.

FWIW I see them being 225 all out about 4:30pm tomorrow.

How wrong can you get?

Well done WI, winning probably 13 of the 15 sessions

Got to own up to a rather rash criticism about the talent of the Hope bros. Though in my defence, I was just trying to stir up a little chat on a quiet day. Even so, I can't talk nah.

if anyone wants more prove bumble racist.
pretty clear is he only talking about india.

I understand the players are disappointed about the ICC's actions in this Test. It's a nonsense, of course, to punish anyone for swearing in frustration at themselves when a boundary is scored of a catch is dropped. And the anomaly comes if the umpires do not understand the language being spoken out there. We all know of one Test team who are major offenders and get away with this…

didn't anderson get away with so much crap, so bit odd to just target india bumble.

might be wrong but didn't jadeja get banned for a test and is pretty much close to bigger suspesion soon, at root got away with 3 demerit points with the same crime that jadeja did.
but of course the racist dude will never see that or mention that.

Maybe Lloyd is more of one-eyed patriot than a racist! Sport often provokes that kind of thinking/feeling.

Nativism I think it's now called.

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Maybe Lloyd is more of one-eyed patriot than a racist! Sport often provokes that kind of thinking/feeling.

Nativism I think it's now called.

whatever it is the guy needs to stop makes him look sad probably explain why no one outside sky even wants to use the guy.
really was no need to take a dig at an unnamed team, especially since that team has nothing to do with the charge or not even playing this series or test match.
not sure how that team relates to the umpires stopping swearing in this game.
Who knows Kohli or who ever says it in the indian team, might get a demerit point in the next game for saying benchoad or what ever words they say.
might even be a new policy started from icc last week to stop all kinds of swear words, so what was the need to take a dig at another team.

plus I find it hard to believe that no one in the cricketing world will know what the swearwords are in a foreign language if they are used all the time, umpires and players should know a lot of swearwords in other language so to even think that umpires don't take action because they don't understand the world is stupid considering clearly bumble can understand it if he is accusing a team of getting away with it.

According to Mark Nicholas (who is on top oleaginous form on the highlight) says no one has ever scored two tons in one match in all fc cricket at Headingley. Surprising. Shai did it, and Kkraig came within a hair too.

Nicholas also said in his preamble tonight that England had already saved the game and now it was a question of winning it...

bhaveshgor wrote:

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Maybe Lloyd is more of one-eyed patriot than a racist! Sport often provokes that kind of thinking/feeling.

Nativism I think it's now called.

whatever it is the guy needs to stop makes him look sad probably explain why no one outside sky even wants to use the guy.
really was no need to take a dig at an unnamed team, especially since that team has nothing to do with the charge or not even playing this series or test match.
not sure how that team relates to the umpires stopping swearing in this game.
Who knows Kohli or who ever says it in the indian team, might get a demerit point in the next game for saying benchoad or what ever words they say.
might even be a new policy started from icc last week to stop all kinds of swear words, so what was the need to take a dig at another team.

Don't Indian players use English swear words? I thought English swearing was universal. Maybe typical British parochialism on my part.

I presume the swearing thing is just because of the stump mics being amplified into our living rooms. In the UK, that shouldn't happen pre-watershed, probably in other countries too. I don't think anyone feels swearing out of frustration is a problem for any other reason, so Lloyd is being disingenuous as he must realise that. Solution. Turn off the stump mics. You can have that one ICC.

too many pundits and english fan in other forums were getting arrogant, like sussex said it was a stupid declaration.
actually quite funny in one of the other forums I post in, you can't even post that it was a poor declaration without someone attacking you for saying it.
although that forum most of the people are pretty clueless about cricket.
sussex is spot on, was quite stupid to declare at that time, if they really wanted to declare at that many overs then they really should have scored quickly.
root got is calculation wrong.
PS you are allowed to criticise captain for being too lenient just like you can criticise them for being too conservative.
that is a pretty stupid point to make just because you criticise cook and Strauss for being conservative that you can't critise for them losing a game after declaring.
if you lose a game declaring then you obviously didn't get it right.
you don't bloody lose a game when you declare.
you meant to declare when only a draw or win is possible for you, not all 3 results for the team.
if you gonna declare at least set a tough total for WI, not something so easy like this one on a flattie deck.
they only needed to bat the day out and win and not even take a risk.
they literally could have seen any tough spell out and they did.

Arthur Crabtree wrote:

bhaveshgor wrote:

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Maybe Lloyd is more of one-eyed patriot than a racist! Sport often provokes that kind of thinking/feeling.

Nativism I think it's now called.

whatever it is the guy needs to stop makes him look sad probably explain why no one outside sky even wants to use the guy.
really was no need to take a dig at an unnamed team, especially since that team has nothing to do with the charge or not even playing this series or test match.
not sure how that team relates to the umpires stopping swearing in this game.
Who knows Kohli or who ever says it in the indian team, might get a demerit point in the next game for saying benchoad or what ever words they say.
might even be a new policy started from icc last week to stop all kinds of swear words, so what was the need to take a dig at another team.

Don't Indian players use English swear words? I thought English swearing was universal. Maybe typical British parochialism on my part.

I presume the swearing thing is just because of the stump mics being amplified into our living rooms. In the UK, that shouldn't happen pre-watershed, probably in other countries too. I don't think anyone feels swearing out of frustration is a problem for any other reason, so Lloyd is being disingenuous as he must realise that. Solution. Turn off the stump mics. You can have that one ICC.

they usually use the indian ones,
basically if the umpires hear you swear, then you are in trouble and you can even be in trouble if the umpires didn't hear you but the tvs did.
the stump mikes are only a problem because some players are being charged on tv evidence or hearing tv evidence.
but holder was charged on what the umpire heard.
indian players do also use english ones but bumble was taking a dig at foreign swearword and the only team that I know that swears a lot in another language is indian players, kohli in particular is seen swearing all the time.
you could pretty much lip read him.
really was no need for him to say teams get away from using non english swearword when one he has no prove and secondly they only started taking action on swearword on this game and india or any sub c team haven't played a test lately outside Bangladesh.
so who knows next time india, sri lanka etc play they might get done for swearing in another language.

like I said 12 months ago, it is pretty obvious that mistrust on the icc penalising players still exist, this point system was meant to change it, but it looks like it not really changed much yet.
generally you get english/Aussie players/media etc think india players get away with it.
you have indian players/media think english or aussie players get away with it.
and then you have the players outside the big 3 think the big 3 players get away with it.

they probably need to use their brains on the demerit system and not be uber strict but the policy is quite good since they generally taking action on all player they do still need to be more universal in giving the charges.
probably need to cut out on the requirements for level 1 charges, bit dopey to get done for swearing one word or some of the minor stuff in the rules, also bit harsh on the accidental 3 point demerit points like jadeja and rabada got charged on.

I accept that it was a risky declaration. But I thought it was an acceptable risk. Suggesting England were arrogant in their calculation is too strong a criticism for me. Of course captains take into account the strength of the opposition when they declare. Of course they wouldn't have offered that to the Australian side of Steve Waugh and Allan Border. The apparent weakness of WI batting had to be part of the decision. Root wouldn't have given that equation to India, naturally. He took a chance to squeeze a win.

I think it actually does the WI more justice to recognise the excellence of their effort. Suggesting that Root gambled while intoxicated on the fumes of his own side's superiority (I know that's an exaggeration) diminishes what WI achieved. As if England asked too little of them- when in fact scoring those runs was a big task.

By the way, how many times have we listened to the bored commentators willing the captain to declare in the third innings while the ascendant side ground on, and say if the opposition get these runs we shake hands and say bloody well done? Well I bet a few aren't saying that now. Nicholas at least implied Root declared too early, on the highlights.

ANd then went on to say this was the best comeback ever! It was great, but it was a long way from that!

Not sure it was that big of a total on the conditions the players had.
Really you could probably blame the defeat on stokes, bairstow and malan dismissal on day 4.
If they didn't play stupid cricket, they would have won or drew.
That small period cost England the game since it made root declare after Ali knock.
Like I said at the time it was stupid for stokes and England to play declaration cricket at 160 odd lead.
What the hell were they thinking.
Lucky for me they played stupid cricket and I left at that time would have lost money otherwise.

bhaveshgor wrote:you have indian players/media think english or aussie players get away with it.
and then you have the players outside the big 3 think the big 3 players get away with it.

That's inevitable, caring about the outcome makes people biased even to the point they see and hear different things. Classic case being the ball bouncing on the line in the 1966 WC final. English people see that it's in, Germans see that it bounced out.