The Ashes: Adelaide.

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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby sussexpob » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:54 am

Its a cyclic point all the time. It seems a lazy conclusion. When England were successful people complained the pitches were dead in counties and too many huge scores. Now they have become more bowler friendly and people complain, or countys produce spinning wickets and people complain they are unfair, and the spinners produce from them are just profiting from easy wickets. Leach is the prime example, they even seemed to go as far as inventing a chucking backstory to forgive themselves for not picking him.

The same was true of Australia. People said when they were unbeatable that Shield cricket was strong because of 6 teams meaning all the talent was condensed and made it very tough. Then they started losing, and the shield structure was to blame. Cant have it both ways. These just seem like people inventing reasons.

Its on display above. No variety of pitches in Australia or England. Australian wickets are turning into India ones, dead and little pace, etc. If this is true, then why are English batsman, who are apparently struggling because conditions are too bowler friendly, not finding batting remarkably easy? This doesnt make sense at all, the argument is flawed.

The fact is, regardless of conditions, these players are not stepping up because they arent good enough. We arent identifying the right talent and managing them well enough once inside the setup.

Yet, we retain a coach as leader of development at the ECB who has a very bad track reccord of developing his own talent..... dont blame pitches, blame him
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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby Dr Cricket » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:59 am

Yeah said yesterday with the money ecb got they really shouldn’t be struggling to find spinners, batsman and fast bowlers.
What going on with the youth system, loughbourgh and Andy Flower is clearly not working.
They really need to set up an inquiry why they haven’t got the players coming through.
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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby sussexpob » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:14 pm

There will probably been an enquiry if England lose more than another test. It will find Bayliss at fault no doubt, or some other reason, and wouldnt surprise me if Flower came back. He operates in an almost faultless bubble. I doubt very much that him or Strauss will be held accountable at all.
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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:23 pm

I thought when Strauss took the job, the ECB told him that he wouldn't be accountable for results.
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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby sussexpob » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:27 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:I thought when Strauss took the job, the ECB told him that he wouldn't be accountable for results.


If memory serves, he was told he wouldnt be accountable for particular upcoming series results, but Id have to say that official grace period expired a long time ago
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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby Durhamfootman » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:59 pm

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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby Dr Cricket » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:49 pm

Although this time it seem the written press won’t buy what they being told by ecb, quite a few have mentioned about the lack of players coming through so I doubt ecb would be able to blame it on some player or something totally not the reason like 2013/14.

Doubt flower or Strauss would get the blame but what happening to the player, the youth system etc will be looked at.

Having seen the English under 19 last year wouldn’t surprise if they struggle to get into the knockout stages, haven’t looked at their group but suspect Afghanistan and maybe even Nepal could challenge them.
England last year were awful they wee out of their depth, couldn’t bowl or bat.
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