The Ashes: Adelaide.

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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:20 am

Might even be the motivation root needs to get a big hundred, saw harsha bhogle video on conversion and his conversion rate is on around 28% which is really bad and he hasn't even got the excuse the likes of Laxman etc got of batting with the tail so they get loads of 60-70s.
a top order batsman should be converting around 40% of their 50s.
although that is frightening since root would in theory get a hundred every 4-7 innings, at the moment he gets a 50 every 2.43 innings which is scary.

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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:26 am

KipperJohn wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Wasn't expecting too much from the top three. Game on now.


Sounds like all 3 were fairly predictable dismissals which is disappointing.


Vince was very disappointing, hard to see how the dude can be a success story in Test if you just can sucker him into edging the ball to the keeper.
at the moment very easy to get him out and doesn't seem to have the patience to bore bowlers and make bowlers bowl to him.

England got huge problem with the players coming through, no fast bowlers and no batsman coming through.
Even Nasser mentioned 2-3 days ago that even india got some quality fast bowlers coming through but england haven't really got anyone that is ready to play test cricket at the moment.
really looks like England need to look at their domestic system and see why batsman, spinners and bowlers just not coming through.

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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:28 am

surely that is out now.

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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:31 am

Australia waste both reviews, really shouldn't have risked the root one, the malan one was understandable though.

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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby Red Devil » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:46 am

Dr Cricket wrote:Australia waste both reviews, really shouldn't have risked the root one, the malan one was understandable though.

Probably a reaction to not reviewing the Cook one earlier
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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:06 am

50 for root.

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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby backfootpunch » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:05 pm

Malans out 10 minutes before the close

get the feeling that could be a huge wicket

The captain will need to make 120+ for us to have a chance
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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:11 pm

Root needs to stay not out though.
Remember Kohli and Vijay getting big hundreds and looked like they won the game for India or at least got the draw but when one got out the entire team got out.
So even 120 might not be enough.

Very good series so far.

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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:48 pm

Still wouldn't put our chances much above 5%.

Been here so many times before to know we very rarely prosper.
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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby Durhamfootman » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:22 pm

bit of a relief, really. I half expected to get back at lunchtime to find that England had been skittled with a day to spare
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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:25 pm

budgetmeansbudget wrote:Still wouldn't put our chances much above 5%.

Been here so many times before to know we very rarely prosper.


I'm going 15%.
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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby backfootpunch » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:42 pm

Its difficult not to be dissapointed

Why didn't we tough it out like this in the first innings

If only root played with this focus and discipline all the time, he'd have a similar record to Steve Smith
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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby mikesiva » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:43 pm

Adi wrote:Handscomb is very much a back foot batsman. Even his bat lift is far too high. However he is scoring runs. I think bowlers will look to get him onto the front foot, especially bowling the out-cutter. I am also keen to see him face a left arm pacer over the wicket. Maybe he will still score runs, but I think he will be more troubles by lefties bowling full over the wicket and moving away from him.

Hisdeficiencies have been well and truly exposed in this test.
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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby backfootpunch » Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:17 pm

mikesiva wrote:
Adi wrote:Handscomb is very much a back foot batsman. Even his bat lift is far too high. However he is scoring runs. I think bowlers will look to get him onto the front foot, especially bowling the out-cutter. I am also keen to see him face a left arm pacer over the wicket. Maybe he will still score runs, but I think he will be more troubles by lefties bowling full over the wicket and moving away from him.

Hisdeficiencies have been well and truly exposed in this test.

He looks like he'll be hopeless whenever any seam or swing is on offer
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Re: The Ashes: Adelaide.

Postby meninblue » Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:39 pm

mikesiva wrote:
Adi wrote:Handscomb is very much a back foot batsman. Even his bat lift is far too high. However he is scoring runs. I think bowlers will look to get him onto the front foot, especially bowling the out-cutter. I am also keen to see him face a left arm pacer over the wicket. Maybe he will still score runs, but I think he will be more troubles by lefties bowling full over the wicket and moving away from him.

Hisdeficiencies have been well and truly exposed in this test.



There are many batsmen with same trigger movement like him, example Smith who has very similar trigger movement. Amla to too a certain extent. But then they meet the ball properly. Peter on the other hand looks so disconnected when he bats. Even his foot is rooted deep int he crease and he hardly lifts his foot to reach the ball. The foot drag is not there at all, it is all about extension to bend to reach the ball. At the most he will take a very small stride on front foot. In this innings he was missing the line and length so much. Offcourse Jimmy was a bowling a great spell today with the seam movement happening from good length. Probably he will be more dependent on flat wickets to score runs ?
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