The Ashes: Perth.

[GarlicJam]

If Mitch Marsh is scoring like this, Id have to guess the par score was 9000

remember your team lost 6/35 in 60-odd balls just 24 hours earlier.

[sussexpob]

If Mitch Marsh is scoring like this, Id have to guess the par score was 9000

remember your team lost 6/35 in 60-odd balls just 24 hours earlier.

Not sure England's tail (which starts usually at 0-0) can be any indication on what conditions are like.

[yuppie]

M Marsh home ground, and been making plenty of runs of late.

The bits i watched, batting was way to easy. Flat pitch and flat bowlers.

Does this say more about the English batsman not making enough runs, or the English bowlers being poor?

[backfootpunch]

M Marsh home ground, and been making plenty of runs of late.

The bits i watched, batting was way to easy. Flat pitch and flat bowlers.

Does this say more about the English batsman not making enough runs, or the English bowlers being poor?

Or pitches like this making for bad cricket

[Arthur Crabtree]

Can't comment as it would fit the pattern of posting more when England are doing badly ;)

[meninblue]

Awesome by Aussies batsmen. What a reply.

[yuppie]

M Marsh home ground, and been making plenty of runs of late.

The bits i watched, batting was way to easy. Flat pitch and flat bowlers.

Does this say more about the English batsman not making enough runs, or the English bowlers being poor?

Or pitches like this making for bad cricket

Australia has taken 10 wickets on this pitch in 4 sessions.

But i do think its a poor wicket so far.

[sussexpob]

Does this say more about the English batsman not making enough runs, or the English bowlers being poor?

Bowling attacks need the added pressure of runs on the board to win in these games. Australia will have that second innings, and it is very effective at breaking the back of teams on otherwise useless conditions. England just arent good enough batting at the moment, they needed to be 550-600 really. 400 wasnt a disaster, but its a losing score on a pitch like this "if" (big if) the Aussies can force a result.

[yuppie]

Though 4 wickets on the first day, 9 on the second and only 1 on the third.

England should believe they can save the match..

[yuppie]

Englands bowlers have not helped their own cause though. They bowled poorly with the second new ball, especially against M Marsh. They just allowed him to play himself into the match.

Wasted the new ball and their best chance of limiting Australia. This was noted by KP, but when would England ever listen to KP.

[sussexpob]

Though 4 wickets on the first day, 9 on the second and only 1 on the third.

England should believe they can save the match..

They should be able to, but I doubt they will. One cant really assign much confidence because of conditions, this England simply arent good enough with the bat, and can crumble in any conditions, and pretty much any standard of bowling. I dont think Australia have bowled all that well in this series, England have just been really poor, and keep on falling for the most obvious traps in the field.

Australia have often gone to short bowling fields with men back on the fence, and England have taken on the short ball. Its been pretty dumb. I didnt see Malan's innings, but he apparently got away with a lot of lose hooks and pulls

[backfootpunch]

M Marsh home ground, and been making plenty of runs of late.

The bits i watched, batting was way to easy. Flat pitch and flat bowlers.

Does this say more about the English batsman not making enough runs, or the English bowlers being poor?

Or pitches like this making for bad cricket

Australia has taken 10 wickets on this pitch in 4 sessions.

But i do think its a poor wicket so far.

Taking 4 sessions to get out the inept England batsmen when you have 4 world class bowlers shows how flat the pitch is

[backfootpunch]

Though 4 wickets on the first day, 9 on the second and only 1 on the third.

England should believe they can save the match..

They should be able to, but I doubt they will. One cant really assign much confidence because of conditions, this England simply arent good enough with the bat, and can crumble in any conditions, and pretty much any standard of bowling. I dont think Australia have bowled all that well in this series, England have just been really poor, and keep on falling for the most obvious traps in the field.

Australia have often gone to short bowling fields with men back on the fence, and England have taken on the short ball. Its been pretty dumb. I didnt see Malan's innings, but he apparently got away with a lot of lose hooks and pulls

The series was going well

Then James Vince ran himself out on 80odd, since then we've been pretty awful

This is the worst iv seen hazlewood and starc bowl for a while yet our batsmen keep gifting wickets

[yuppie]

From the parts i have watched, Australia seem to be bowling well to plans. If something does not work, they will try something different. Due to the pace of their bowlers they can get wickets on the flattest pitches. They are also well covered by Lyon, who is their best bowler at present for me.

Englands tail is just not contributing runs, which is something they have done in the past. They seem scared of Australias pace attack. Loosing 6 wickets for 38 runs on a pitch like this is criminal.

[backfootpunch]

From the parts i have watched, Australia seem to be bowling well to plans. If something does not work, they will try something different. Due to the pace of their bowlers they can get wickets on the flattest pitches. They are also well covered by Lyon, who is their best bowler at present for me.

Englands tail is just not contributing runs, which is something they have done in the past. They seem scared of Australias pace attack. Loosing 6 wickets for 38 runs on a pitch like this is criminal.

The issue for me is too many of the top order are getting starts then getting out

Smith however has been clinical

I was never expecting the bowlers to score many runs against this bowling attack