The Ashes: Perth.

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Re: The Ashes: Perth.

Postby Dr Cricket » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:07 pm

lol bumble and warne probably thinks perth will spin and if it turns on day 1 they should play 2 spinners.

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Re: The Ashes: Perth.

Postby bigfluffylemon » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:45 pm

yuppie wrote:The last thing the public will want is a high scoring bore draw.


Given England's record at Perth and how bad our batting has been of late, I think the English public would accept that, actually...
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Re: The Ashes: Perth.

Postby sussexpob » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:46 pm

bigfluffylemon wrote:
yuppie wrote:The last thing the public will want is a high scoring bore draw.


Given England's record at Perth and how bad our batting has been of late, I think the English public would accept that, actually...


Given all those things, its also verging on a physical impossibility
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Re: The Ashes: Perth.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:04 am

Although England won't win.... England won in Kingston in 1989, and Bridgetown in 1994. Two fortresses and neither of those were going to happen either.
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Re: The Ashes: Perth.

Postby sussexpob » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:09 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Although England won't win.... England won in Kingston in 1989, and Bridgetown in 1994. Two fortresses and neither of those were going to happen either.


Anyway Angus can pick himself and Alec for a last hurrah?
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Re: The Ashes: Perth.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:20 am

Last summer, the UK media was saying that the eleven players in the England ODI side were the eleven best ODI players England have ever had. Hype, of course, but it illustrates the wide gap between the perception of the Test and ODI sides.

TRJ looks like the Angus of our times, but not fit enough to repeat Fraser's heroics.
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Re: The Ashes: Perth.

Postby bigfluffylemon » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:16 am

A nice reminder of what England are up against at the WACA:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/42295141

Comes with a trigger warning for England fans...
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Re: The Ashes: Perth.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:30 am

Great piece!
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Re: The Ashes: Perth.

Postby yuppie » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:38 am

bigfluffylemon wrote:A nice reminder of what England are up against at the WACA:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/42295141

Comes with a trigger warning for England fans...



Looking at Englands win percentages at the MCG and SCG, if they can just get through perth with out loosing......you never know.
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Re: The Ashes: Perth.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:33 am

Yes, I think England have their best chances in the last two games, particularly Melbourne where it can swing if there's cloud cover. A draw would be a great result for England in Perth. A draw pitch would be good for them.
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Re: The Ashes: Perth.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:58 am

Stats for spinners in Australia since WWI, minimum 30 wickets, which probably implies a minimum of two tours.

Only ten touring players have taken that many wickets, but they all have at least acceptable records, even a couple of pretty ordinary English spinners.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

This is spin at the Waca, minimum five wickets. Bedi got a ten wicket match aggregate.

We remember Monty getting shredded by Gilchrist in Perth, but he took eight wickets in that game.

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Re: The Ashes: Perth.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:05 am

This was England's only win in Perth. It was played on a *modded* of a track, so anyone who made fifty worked hard for it and can be proud of their efforts. So that's Boycott, Gower (who scored a gutsy ton), the excessively hyped Peter Toohey and Graeme Wood.

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Re: The Ashes: Perth.

Postby GarlicJam » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:24 am

"excessively hyped" Peter Toohey?

I don't recall much hype about him - nor much about any of those batsmen, Hughes excepted. A very lean period for Aus cricket, the official team, anyway. Even the tail was exceedingly poor. Yardley probably should have been a number 9, maybe 10 batsman, and Hogg should have been the 11 - which says a lot about Dymock and Hurst.

My main memories of Graeme Wood is his running out abilities.
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Re: The Ashes: Perth.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:37 am

Toohey had been touted as the stand out bat of the new players to emerge after the loss of the Packer players (at least in the UK press) after scoring a hundred and a near ton in the WI, against their B attack, as well as runs at home v India. He had a bit of a dog against England though. The true messiah came in the match after Perth, when Alan Border made his debut in Melbourne (where Australia won).

These are the Packer years stats (two years) for Australia. Of nostalgic interest to some of a certain age.

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Re: The Ashes: Perth.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:39 am

GarlicJam wrote:
My main memories of Graeme Wood is his running out abilities.


Especially with Rick Darling.
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