Arthur Crabtree wrote:shankycricket wrote:Narratives against facts https://twitter.com/imjsk27/status/943086885764702208
I think the feeling going around is that Smith is no longer being judged against his contemporaries but the legends. That stat actually does him no favours because it shows him close in the pack with his contemporaries. Although it's a good stat if people are arguing that he's not one of the best players of his time, which presumably no one is.
Gingerfinch wrote:Smith doesn't look like a real great bat whenever I do watch him, but his stats tell it differently. 15 tons in 30 tests at 75 is remarkable. Still 25 short of the Don's career average, mind.
sussexpob wrote:I'll ignore the rather infantile comment shanky, but I'm not sure what you are arguing against?
4 roads and he's averaging like bradman on steroids. 3 decent pitches, his average become pretty human?
The point raised is his average is clearly inflated by the home pitches he is playing on.
How many of those players on the link provided averaged 80 at home? How many times did Steve Waugh get to perth and find that mid pitch bouncers were taken on the half volley by a keeper? Or Melbourne pitches with no pace or bounce? Or gabba wickets with nothing in them?
I'd love to have seen Smith batting in the 80s in the windies.
rich1uk wrote:Gingerfinch wrote:Smith doesn't look like a real great bat whenever I do watch him, but his stats tell it differently. 15 tons in 30 tests at 75 is remarkable. Still 25 short of the Don's career average, mind.
agreed
every time you watch him you think he must be vulnerable to lbw after walking across his stumps as much as he does but his hands are just so good that he hardly misses
most batting is a combination of hand-eye co-ordination and technique, for someone to rely so much on his hand-eye co-ordination without a soild technique to back it up, and be so consistent, is pretty remarkable
shankycricket wrote:sussexpob wrote:I'll ignore the rather infantile comment shanky, but I'm not sure what you are arguing against?
4 roads and he's averaging like bradman on steroids. 3 decent pitches, his average become pretty human?
The point raised is his average is clearly inflated by the home pitches he is playing on.
How many of those players on the link provided averaged 80 at home? How many times did Steve Waugh get to perth and find that mid pitch bouncers were taken on the half volley by a keeper? Or Melbourne pitches with no pace or bounce? Or gabba wickets with nothing in them?
I'd love to have seen Smith batting in the 80s in the windies.
Why should his inflated home record be held against him when he has done better away from home than his contemporaries have home and away combined? And if you just look at the away averages, he is again 7 runs higher than the next highest Williamson and 6 runs higher than Root or Kohli.
sussexpob wrote:shankycricket wrote:sussexpob wrote:I'll ignore the rather infantile comment shanky, but I'm not sure what you are arguing against?
4 roads and he's averaging like bradman on steroids. 3 decent pitches, his average become pretty human?
The point raised is his average is clearly inflated by the home pitches he is playing on.
How many of those players on the link provided averaged 80 at home? How many times did Steve Waugh get to perth and find that mid pitch bouncers were taken on the half volley by a keeper? Or Melbourne pitches with no pace or bounce? Or gabba wickets with nothing in them?
I'd love to have seen Smith batting in the 80s in the windies.
Why should his inflated home record be held against him when he has done better away from home than his contemporaries have home and away combined? And if you just look at the away averages, he is again 7 runs higher than the next highest Williamson and 6 runs higher than Root or Kohli.
The stats you provide in the link suggests smiths performance away is within 0.2 runs of amla and a small dot more than AB. Unsure why Williamson is there quoted as the best, you seem to providing conflicting numbers. Which are true?
Ita key to note, most batsman on the list have not got a huge difference between away and home performance. Averages are pretty consistent, say 5 runs margin is common between home/away and career average. Smith is 25 odd, which would suggest a huge difference in lurch standards.
One could argue he's just that good, and that his Home form is unsurpassed. Yet, voges out averages him on the same pitches and same games. So that can't be true. His home form has been surpassed by someone else in the same team. So that doesn't cut it.
His away form shows he is the best bat around, his home form suggests the extent is very much distorted.
Not that I am holding it against him, the point raised was that Aussie pitches are so dead now they inflate averages heavily. I said he'd probably average 10 runs less in another era.
So he'd average 53 odd. Which is what, the same as Tendulkar? So yeah, my point is clearly he is rubbish.
Maybe listen for a change
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