The Ashes: Sydney

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Re: The Ashes: Sydney

Postby meninblue » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:27 am

11th over on trott for Lyon out of 26 bowled so far.

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Re: The Ashes: Sydney

Postby meninblue » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:05 am

Joe has wasted 95 balls. Doing well. One England batter has to waste at least 250 balls.
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Re: The Ashes: Sydney

Postby meninblue » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:24 am

David LBW Lyon.

England trail by 229 runs.
Lyon: 16/30/2. :Clap

With the ball 37 overs old now, it will help him grip it better. Expecting few more wickets from him this innings
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Re: The Ashes: Sydney

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:58 am

So. Rain then?
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Re: The Ashes: Sydney

Postby alfie » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:57 am

sussexpob wrote:Then you would assume wrongly, Rich . It was Alfie who made the point about pitches. I didnt attribute the quote to him because it is, like I said, just another of the 140 different critical reasons I am reading for this series failure. The best spinner in recent times in county cricket has had the fact he has a pitch that is seen as turning frequently held against him, with people saying anyone could do it on that wicket. So this isnt a reason. Its another lazy conclusion that sounds like a reason, but it doesnt pass the first b*llshit test. Like the "only express pace takes wickets in OZ" when reality suggests a guy bowling at 78-81mph actually took most wickets, or any other of the lazy journo crap post series loss.

The simple fact is, you cannot tell me the cupboard is bare when we picked an opening batsman and part time spinner to front the attack, with another identical role player being given a go, then another all rounder with a less than brilliant record, now a 20 year old who cant nail down a county spot in his own team and hasnt done anything of note to suggest he can cope at test cricket.

Its a bit like picking only strikers for England's football team who have scored 5 goals per season, and ignoring some slow target man who fired 33 goals in the season, but then saying "yeah, but this guy has pace and far more skill, etc"...... then when you dont score any goals in the group stage and get knocked out, bemoan the fact that the striker cupboard was too bare.

The cold, hard fact is, we have not once in the last 2 years, picked the best performer in England's county system. So the argument that we dont have anyone better is utterly invalid.

Average of 25 gets ignored for averages of 41, 45 plus and 38 .....


Sorry but I didn't make a point about pitches ! I said at one point - referring to the the prospects of Crane getting further opportunities for England - that conditions might not always suit : meaning that he probably wouldn't get in the team in the average English home summer because they'll prefer to play four :WI seamers and a holding spinner...

Look I understand the argument for Leach : though it is somewhat undermined by his poor returns for Lions teams ; and I actually advocated Dawson for the reserve spinner spot for this tour so please don't paint me as one who wants to ignore performance in selection.

If I am supportive of Crane (rather against my natural inclination as I'm skeptical of the prospect of a wrist spinner doing a job for England ....has been a long time since Doug Wright !) it is because I , like Warne and other others who ought to know something about it , saw something in his work the other day. It may indeed come to nothing : the lad will need to be strong to overcome the weight of those first Test figures of 1/193 ; but if he is , he may yet turn into the wicket taking threat for England which will enable them to compete better on overseas trips of this type. I say may.

We won't all agree on the matter I guess. But please spare me the misquotes.
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Re: The Ashes: Sydney

Postby Durhamfootman » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:14 am

Just seen the scorecard

how terribly predictable
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Re: The Ashes: Sydney

Postby meninblue » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:18 am

Durhamfootman wrote:Just seen the scorecard

how terribly predictable



4-0 it seems. And that draw was because Cook scored a 200 and wasted lot of balls.
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Re: The Ashes: Sydney

Postby sussexpob » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:22 am

alfie wrote:
Dr Cricket wrote:I actually like Crane but isn't it crazy that he has to learn how to bowl spin in a test match and not actually learn this in County cricket.


Well yes. But unless you can change the English climate quicker than waiting for Global Warming to do the job , you'd have to persuade the money men to get the CC back into the right part of the summer instead of giving way to the fast food of the limited over stuff... They've made changes designed to help the spinner ...the four day game instead of three ; and recently this change to the traditional toss at the start. But it really isn't quite as simple as we might wish. There are reasons why certain types of player tend to develop in some countries more than others ; and overcoming them is not something that can be easily addressed by artificial tinkering with the rules .


This post. Id have to assume the point about not playing in hotter and drier portions of the summer was in reference to pitches being generally more helpful for spinners, and the overall point about countries capacity to produce spinners being better than England's due to pitches/conditions. I answererd asking if Mason Crane is playing on pitches so unhelpful, then why is Liam Dawson taking wickets at 26, and him costing another 20 runs on the same pitches. One cannot say Mason is playing in such unhelpful or impossible situations to develop if he isnt even producing results anywhere near as successful as others in the exact same situations.

Rich then responded quite aggressively about me misquoting him. I simply said the original post I reacted to was posted by yourself.

I didnt actually quote you. So I couldnt have misquoted you.

Either way, I think if you trace the point back, I wouldnt have misquoted or misunderstood the point you were making.
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Re: The Ashes: Sydney

Postby meninblue » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:49 am

At the end of the day positives are the only aspects England think thank will have to take from this series.

1. Experience will help statement is always spoken by the coach, captain and selectors. One take away. That is true. Mark, James, Dawid, Mason, Tom will all be better from experience point of view if they are part of next Ashes.

2. David's runs will be another positive takeaway.

3. Cook showing that his Bangladesh 200 was not his last of 200. It seems to me that he is capable of scoring more 200's.

4. Jimmy still being England's leading bowler.

What else could be the positives?
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Re: The Ashes: Sydney

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:55 am

Overton had an ok start to his international career.
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Re: The Ashes: Sydney

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:59 am

Adi wrote:3. Cook showing that his Bangladesh 200 was not his last of 200. It seems to me that he is capable of scoring more 200's.


There's an unavoidable flipside though. 132 in the other eight innings. You can't separate out the big score, but it's best seen in its context.

Cook ended the series with better than his career average, but that feels a little misleading.
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Re: The Ashes: Sydney

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:02 pm

Adi wrote:
What else could be the positives?


Broad had a couple of scores with the bat.
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Re: The Ashes: Sydney

Postby meninblue » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:47 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:
Adi wrote:
What else could be the positives?


Broad had a couple of scores with the bat.


True another small positive. His batting was not that good recently, but he played two decent kncks in this series iirc.
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Re: The Ashes: Sydney

Postby meninblue » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:02 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:
Adi wrote:3. Cook showing that his Bangladesh 200 was not his last of 200. It seems to me that he is capable of scoring more 200's.


There's an unavoidable flipside though. 132 in the other eight innings. You can't separate out the big score, but it's best seen in its context.

Cook ended the series with better than his career average, but that feels a little misleading.


He did play badly in remaining innings, but he is one of the top 3 scorer for England. Positive is he still has it in him to score 2 doubles a year.
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Re: The Ashes: Sydney

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:11 pm

47.3C/117.1F at the SCG today!

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