Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby Making_Splinters » Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:40 am

Well, one of our worst ever - if not the worst ever - runs we've been on as a side. No real clarity about any of the open positions in the side and the same old flaws.

Could be worse.
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby bigfluffylemon » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:18 pm

sussexpob wrote:Ironic isnt it. Vince makes a score finally, then drops Latham at third slip, who goes on to bat for 5 hours to save the test.


He and Stoneman put down two each, although some of them at least were pretty tough chances.

This is a pretty low ebb. In some ways it feels worse than Mitchaggedon, because even though England were blown away then and here have been competitive at times, then it felt like a blip. Now it's sustained, pathological under-performance. I don't think England have been this poor, or this low down in the test rankings, for a very long time. Maybe not even since the dark days of the late 90's/early 00's (before the Hussein/Vaughan renaissance).
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:00 pm

I'd guess this is the the worst England side since the eighties (give or take beating SA home and away). Lose Anderson and Broad and it's among their worst of my lifetime.

Only Anderson can claim not to have had a very disappointing winter.

Yet some impressive ODI wins.
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby andy » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:47 pm

Pathetic that Wagner and Sodhi were able to bat as long as they did.....The battering ram, Mark Wood did nothing...
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby m@tt » Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:07 pm

Wagner's innings was the second lowest ever strike rate for an innings lasting at least 100 balls.

A shame we couldn't pull off the win, there was enough time. But in some ways I'm not too fussed, England need to seriously look at what they're doing in Tests after a winter that, whilst not near the catastrophic levels of the last tour down under, was just plain mediocre - a win could have papered over the cracks.
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:17 pm

m@tt wrote:Wagner's innings was the second lowest ever strike rate for an innings lasting at least 100 balls.

A shame we couldn't pull off the win, there was enough time. But in some ways I'm not too fussed, England need to seriously look at what they're doing in Tests after a winter that, whilst not near the catastrophic levels of the last tour down under, was just plain mediocre - a win could have papered over the cracks.


Was the slower one also a Kiwi against England?
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby sussexpob » Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:30 pm

The Kiwi snail batter that sticks in memory is Geoff Allott, the lanky left arm seamer who batted for 80 odd balls for a duck. I believe this is a record for longest innings without scoring a run. That was against South Africa though.

Astles innings must be the quickest if you count in how many runs he got. Cant remember another Kiwi with a notable slow or quick innings
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby sussexpob » Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:35 pm

Allotts record in tests though is nowhere near as impressive as Runako Mortons ODI record...... 32 balls I believe.

32 balls!!! Apparently Morton was all killer, no filler, and refused singles... he only dealt in boundaries
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:40 pm

There was a Kiwi rabbit number eleven who batted for hours against England to draw a Test, maybe in the eighties.

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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:45 pm

Danny Morrison in his last Test apparently.
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:49 pm

14 runs off 133 balls for the last wicket. Batted for three hours with Nathan Astle to secure the draw. 1997 so way out on the date.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/1612 ... d-1996-97/

For a long time, Kiwi tail ender Richard Collinge had the highest score by a number eleven.

Didn't legendary NZer Chris Martin have the most ducks, while batting at eleven?
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby m@tt » Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:00 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:
m@tt wrote:Wagner's innings was the second lowest ever strike rate for an innings lasting at least 100 balls.

A shame we couldn't pull off the win, there was enough time. But in some ways I'm not too fussed, England need to seriously look at what they're doing in Tests after a winter that, whilst not near the catastrophic levels of the last tour down under, was just plain mediocre - a win could have papered over the cracks.


Was the slower one also a Kiwi against England?


No - an Englishman, John Murray, against Australia in 1963.

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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby bigfluffylemon » Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:01 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Didn't legendary NZer Chris Martin have the most ducks, while batting at eleven?


I believe you're right. I think Walsh has the most ducks overall, but despite that, he spent about a third of his career batting at 10. I'm not sure who he was batting ahead of - Ambrose generally came in one position above him.
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby bigfluffylemon » Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:05 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:I'd guess this is the the worst England side since the eighties (give or take beating SA home and away). Lose Anderson and Broad and it's among their worst of my lifetime.

Only Anderson can claim not to have had a very disappointing winter.

Yet some impressive ODI wins.


One starts to feel that once Anderson, Broad and Cook go (and I reckon the 2019 Ashes will be the swansong for all three, assuming they even last that long), Root will be like Lara in the post-Walsh/Ambrose West Indies - the only quality player in a line-up full of mediocrity that gets thrashed by all and sundry.
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:07 pm

Even Lara had Shiv!
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