First Test: England v Pakistan, Lord's.

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Re: First Test: England v Pakistan, Lord's.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun May 27, 2018 2:18 pm

If the unorthodox doesn't work, those that try it are likely to be castigated for not employing more traditional wisdom. That's not always fair, but the it means people will be wondering if the players might have had more cricket going into the series and whether playing T20 in India is the best prep for an early season Test series in UK. Whether selecting a specialist bat at seven who doesn't play fc cricket is the way to go.
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Re: First Test: England v Pakistan, Lord's.

Postby Dr Cricket » Sun May 27, 2018 2:26 pm

IMHO http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... her-better
This artlicle is the reason why I have hope or faith In India doing well in the next 5-10 yrs.

Also England defeat isn’t an one off haven’t won a test match since last August.
Personally think it is wrong to look at the opposition when you working or in charge of a team you should always look at your efforts or what the team can do to make it better or never happen again.

England problems are more fundamental and covers the entire system.
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Re: First Test: England v Pakistan, Lord's.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun May 27, 2018 2:30 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:If the unorthodox doesn't work, those that try it are likely to be castigated for not employing more traditional wisdom.


I suppose having a coach who has only sketchy knowledge of the home country's domestic game and little enthusiasm for increasing it, might fit into this category.
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Re: First Test: England v Pakistan, Lord's.

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Sun May 27, 2018 3:41 pm

Dr Cricket wrote:
budgetmeansbudget wrote:Dr Cricket is like a broken record when it comes to the England cricket team. I can't remember much drum banging surrounding the test team in recent years.

Mind you I do keep hearing about how good the Indian team is, so even though their away record suggests they aren't as good as they think they are, it will still be embarrassing if they lose to this abysmal England side later in the summer!


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See 2016 when I had 2 or 3 months argument with Backfootpunch on it.

I don't think you understood the point I was making, I was referring to you going on about how all English cricket followers have been talking up the test team over the last few years when I don't believe they have. A bit more confidence in the one day side but not the test.

How good they are compared to India wasn't the issue, as India are clearly well ahead, which is why I said it would be embarrassing if India lost to England this summer.

And don't refer to people making comments about your posts as being hate, that is clearly ridiculous. You can't believe anyone on this site could give enough of a shite to lead to that emotion.Rein your neck in chap.
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Re: First Test: England v Pakistan, Lord's.

Postby Durhamfootman » Sun May 27, 2018 3:54 pm

yuppie wrote:Interesting that Butler got the most runs in this test. Selectors might have got that one right.

not so sure, myself

when he is sent out to have a slog, which is what he does very well with the white ball, then it's reasonable to expect him to come off once or twice in a series. Whether that is a reasonable tactic for consistently winning test match series remains to be seen. I'm not convinced myself.

I also think it sends out a mixed message to county batsmen..... if you're good at T20 then you have a shout of a test call up. Ultimately it might have the effect of further disincentivising players from working on their first class technique

Although, all that being said, he did save England from the ignominy of an innings defeat inside 8 sessions, so we should probably be grateful to him for that
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Re: First Test: England v Pakistan, Lord's.

Postby Durhamfootman » Sun May 27, 2018 3:57 pm

and the priorities are all wrong as well..... he's been picked to have a dart late in the order, and in this case he got lucky that Bess was able to stick around for a bit, but with 9, 10, 11 worth about 4 runs between them, if Bess had gone early, Buttler would not have had time to become England's top scorer.

England's problems run much deeper than trying to blast a few late order runs to boost the total
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Re: First Test: England v Pakistan, Lord's.

Postby Dr Cricket » Sun May 27, 2018 4:23 pm

Dude I wasn’t even taking about anyone in this forum, it was comment based on ecb hierarchy and the media which is true considering ecb have been taking the test stuff for granted lately.
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Re: First Test: England v Pakistan, Lord's.

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Sun May 27, 2018 4:25 pm

But in his second innings he didnt come in and have a slog, he played sensible test cricket for most of his innings, defend the good balls and try to score off the bad.

Admittedly the pressure was well off as England were pretty much done when he came out to bat.

Good luck to the selectors, they've got one he'll of a job to do, you could count at least 4 of 5 places that are in question and the 6 definite aren't exactly tearing up the game right now.

I know Woakes has had a poor run in recent months including the IPL but he's got one of the best bowling averages on home soil, plus he's good for the odd 50, so he has to come back.
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Re: First Test: England v Pakistan, Lord's.

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Sun May 27, 2018 4:30 pm

Dr Cricket wrote:Dude I wasn’t even taking about anyone in this forum, it was comment based on ecb hierarchy and the media which is true considering ecb have been taking the test stuff for granted lately.

I know, but again I wasn't aware anyone, supporters, media, ecb hierarchy, the whole caboodle was 'banging the test match drum' much in recent times.

I think it's a sign of the times that test cricket is no longer as the top of the important list, lessening interest across the cricket world, and therefore less spondoolicks.
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Re: First Test: England v Pakistan, Lord's.

Postby Durhamfootman » Sun May 27, 2018 4:36 pm

budgetmeansbudget wrote:But in his second innings he didnt come in and have a slog, he played sensible test cricket for most of his innings, defend the good balls and try to score off the bad.

that's true enough. It isn't why he's in the team though. I think he's been selected to put the icing on an England innings.... which is odd because it feels like a while since England's top 6 have actually produced enough of a score for someone to put the icing on
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Re: First Test: England v Pakistan, Lord's.

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Sun May 27, 2018 4:53 pm

Durhamfootman wrote:
budgetmeansbudget wrote:But in his second innings he didnt come in and have a slog, he played sensible test cricket for most of his innings, defend the good balls and try to score off the bad.

that's true enough. It isn't why he's in the team though. I think he's been selected to put the icing on an England innings.... which is odd because it feels like a while since England's top 6 have actually produced enough of a score for someone to put the icing on

Perhaps give him the gloves, and call him an all rounder in the Gilchrist role.

I personally don't see a great difference between the keeping ability of him and Bairstow, and Bairstow can then concentrate on batting coming in further up the order.
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Re: First Test: England v Pakistan, Lord's.

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Sun May 27, 2018 5:00 pm

Just wondering how far back this not alot for 3 goes, I guess it was probably whenever Strauss retired?
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Re: First Test: England v Pakistan, Lord's.

Postby Dr Cricket » Sun May 27, 2018 5:07 pm

TBH sussexpop been critical, I been critical of it in the past few year, Newman starting to be this year, Dobell been doing it for the last year or so.
Plenty more on twitter as well.
Certainly the feeling is ecb been out of touch of what is going on.
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Re: First Test: England v Pakistan, Lord's.

Postby Dr Cricket » Sun May 27, 2018 5:10 pm

Isn’t an one off either believe england lost 10 test at home in the last 20 matches.
Only won 4 away from home as well from a big sample size.
Really hard to see where the new players are coming from.
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Re: First Test: England v Pakistan, Lord's.

Postby yuppie » Sun May 27, 2018 5:20 pm

Dr Cricket wrote:Isn’t an one off either believe england lost 10 test at home in the last 20 matches.
Only won 4 away from home as well from a big sample size.
Really hard to see where the new players are coming from.



I think this is the real problem. It is tough to see who will take up the role of Anderson and Broad. And how much longer can Cook hold out for. Hes not batting anywhere near his best, but the lack of options means he is not even close to having his position in the team questioned.
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