Second Test: England v Pakistan, Headingley

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Re: Second Test: England v Pakistan, Headingley

Postby meninblue » Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:23 pm

100 run lead. imo that makes England massive favorites.
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Re: Second Test: England v Pakistan, Headingley

Postby yuppie » Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:23 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Disappointing from Bairstow in a very advantageous position. England were very good in the Prior/Bell/KP era at seizing these situations and running away with them. Not so much now.



100 lead though and Woakes will add a few here. still push for at least a 150 plus lead
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Re: Second Test: England v Pakistan, Headingley

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:35 pm

Only professional cricket statisticians can remember the last time Woakes batted in the middle.
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Re: Second Test: England v Pakistan, Headingley

Postby sussexpob » Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:28 pm

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Arthur Crabtree wrote:Who was the last England nightwatcher to score a ton? I just remember (as everyone does) Tudor going very near.


Don't think we've had one - Eddie Hemmings with 95 at Sydney to help us draw the last match in a 2-1 series defeat - is the one I always recall.


Best I can remember is Alex tudors 99* not out v new Zealand.

Never forget Graeme Thorpe smashing a quick fire 20 at the other end to deny the lad his hundred. England had 8 wickets left and plenty of time
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Re: Second Test: England v Pakistan, Headingley

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Re: Second Test: England v Pakistan, Headingley

Postby bigfluffylemon » Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:08 pm

Good day for England, but not the killer blow we were going for. Quick wickets tomorrow morning and Pakistan are still in this, especially as day 3 may be better for batting (less cloud, pitch may flatten out). But if Buttler can stick around for an hour or two tomorrow morning the lead will probably be insurmountable.

I see Vaughan's doubling down on his spat with Broad
:facepalm Michael, admit it, you were wrong.

Broad had a poor Ashes, true, but he's still taken 45 wickets at 33 in the last 12 months. Not great by his standards, but far from terrible. But Vaughan seems obsessed with Mark Wood - he was seriously asking 'what has he done to get dropped'?, and using very modest figures of 2-74 at Lord's to justify his continued inclusion. Obviously hasn't noticed the crap figures in just about every other test he's played recently...
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Re: Second Test: England v Pakistan, Headingley

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:10 am

westoelad wrote:6 instances-no Engishman.
http://ncrcricket.com/centuries-by-nigh ... -ul-ghani/


Thanks. I only knew Gillespie out of those.
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Re: Second Test: England v Pakistan, Headingley

Postby bigfluffylemon » Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:58 am

Just looked over the highlights reel. Obviously it's not necessarily a fair reflection of a player's ability as you only get to see their best, but my word, Bess looked good. Really sound technique, getting to the pitch of the ball, striking it cleanly with a straight bat. He looked a lot better technically than the specialist batsman Malan did when the pair were together.

At least for the most part England were got out by good deliveries that did something, rather than being complicit in their own downfall, as is usually the case.
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Re: Second Test: England v Pakistan, Headingley

Postby bigfluffylemon » Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:00 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:
westoelad wrote:6 instances-no Engishman.
http://ncrcricket.com/centuries-by-nigh ... -ul-ghani/


Thanks. I only knew Gillespie out of those.


That list suggests there's a fine line between nightwatchman and batsman promoted up the order. I'd question Boucher's inclusion in the list as a genuine 'nightwatchman'.
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Re: Second Test: England v Pakistan, Headingley

Postby meninblue » Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:24 am

bigfluffylemon wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:
westoelad wrote:6 instances-no Engishman.
http://ncrcricket.com/centuries-by-nigh ... -ul-ghani/


Thanks. I only knew Gillespie out of those.


That list suggests there's a fine line between nightwatchman and batsman promoted up the order. I'd question Boucher's inclusion in the list as a genuine 'nightwatchman'.


Yes, Boucher was not a tailender.

Kumble scored a ton, so did Sir Aggy. Both at Lords iirc. But not as night watchman
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Re: Second Test: England v Pakistan, Headingley

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:08 am

Kumble's ton was at the Oval in 2007, ensuring England didn't come back in the series.
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Re: Second Test: England v Pakistan, Headingley

Postby mikesiva » Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:56 am

Who in their infinite wisdom made this a two test series?
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Is it really more important to play so many ODI matches against Australia and India than to schedule a third test?
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Re: Second Test: England v Pakistan, Headingley

Postby meninblue » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:04 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Kumble's ton was at the Oval in 2007, ensuring England didn't come back in the series.



Way back in 2007. Sreesanth gave him nice support.
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Re: Second Test: England v Pakistan, Headingley

Postby meninblue » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:05 am

139 runs lead. It's significant now. 4 wickets still intact.

Can Jos make it a match winning lead by taking it to 200.
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Re: Second Test: England v Pakistan, Headingley

Postby yuppie » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:24 am

mikesiva wrote:Who in their infinite wisdom made this a two test series?
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Is it really more important to play so many ODI matches against Australia and India than to schedule a third test?



I agree, shocking really. we seem to say this a lot recently.
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