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Postby sussexpob » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:23 am

yuppie wrote:Surely there is someone in this Scotland team that can be fast tracked into the England team. Didn't that happen with Gavin Hamilton.


No, it was actually the opposite Yuppie. I think Hamilton refused calls up for Scotland in his younger days because a lot of the English selectors really rated him, and he was widely believed to be called up at various stages before the WC in 1999, before he eventually was left out the squad to manys suprise, and at the last minute finally accepted his Scotland call up. May have been him who scored a nifty unbeaten 30 odd vs Australia in the groups.

He got capped the first tour match after for England, and had one of the worst debuts of all time. Think he had a golden duck, another duck to complete his pair, and on a deck South Africa had made look like a minefield, returned a chanceless 0/80 odd. And that was it, we never saw him again. The rumours were that with Fletcher taking over, he had picked a lot of guys that came from left field and had taken Hamilton as one of the few old guard picks without really wanting him to be there. If one test could destroy a career though, it was for Hamilton. I think before he was capped his county bat average was in the 35-40 zone, but he got out hopelessly to two innocuous bouncers, and after that teams bowled short to him, and he went full Stuart Broad. Turned out to short pitched stuff he was no better than a proper tailender, and his batting faded to nothing.

Think he still bowled well for much of his career. But was very easy paced, and only really thrived on green trundler decks that Headingley and CLS traditionally threw up
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Re: Eng & Pak in Scotland, June 10-13

Postby sussexpob » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:38 am

The only other lad I can think of that they have had come through the county system was Matt Machan in recent years. I use "they" loosely, because Matt was playing Sussex league cricket as a young nipper back in the days when I was still about, and he was born in Brighton and lived near Hayward's Heath area iirc.

He retired a couple of years ago still the wrong side of 25, so they dont have him now. Very sad really, Matt had so much potential but had chronic issues with his hands. He was very good in all formats as a youngster, but sadly as the hand became worse and worse his performance in the longer two formats started to die, and eventually he even kicked the T20 stuff.

Maybe if hed stayed fully fit he would have been capped for England. Great T20 and ODI player, especially when you take into context for most of his career he was suffering badly.
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Re: Eng & Pak in Scotland, June 10-13

Postby andy » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:40 am

Ah yes i forgot about him. Talented lad, had a few good knocks for Sussex, big hitter of the ball, forgot he had retired, thought he had just drifted away, real shame, as your right he could have gone places.
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Re: Eng & Pak in Scotland, June 10-13

Postby sussexpob » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:57 am

andy wrote:Ah yes i forgot about him. Talented lad, had a few good knocks for Sussex, big hitter of the ball, forgot he had retired, thought he had just drifted away, real shame, as your right he could have gone places.


It was a slow process. Think it was clear in 2014 that he was done, his form had dipped and he wasnt fit. Then Gnasher's appendix burst, and we had players out, so he was threw in during 2015 when really he shouldnt have been playing, but because he couldnt really bat long innings he just went out and slogged everything, which ironically meant he scored 3 or 4 FC hundreds in the season and had a year where everyone thought he might be over it.

He spent the next 2-3 years always surgery or trying to get back to the team, but ended up being no good. Last I heard he had tried to get a minor counties team, but was forced to cut that after one game too.

As you say, the guy was a big hitter, but also at his best his timing was magical..... he used to flick balls off his pads into the stands like he was strolling in the park.
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Re: Eng & Pak in Scotland, June 10-13

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sussexpob wrote:If England want to win the world cup then they need to look at this attack. Scoring runs for fun, but giving too many away


Stokes/Buttler/Woakes for Hales/Biilings/Willey could equal both more runs and wickets plus a better economy rate.
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Re: Eng & Pak in Scotland, June 10-13

Postby ianp1970 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:24 pm

Roy/Bairstow/Root/Morgan/Stokes/Buttler/Ali/Woakes/Rashid/Plunkett look set to be in the side.

Options at:
3 - Hales/Duckett?
4/5 - Malan/Vince?
7/8 - Billings/Dawson?
9/10 - Willey/Jordan?
10/11 - Wood/Curran/Ball/Finn/Topley?

Seems that the gap we need to fill is bowing at both the start and end of an innings. Hopefully the series against Aus/Ind this summer will help to find the answer....
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Re: Eng & Pak in Scotland, June 10-13

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:28 pm

Might be a chance for Finn. If fit. Topley had a great start to internationals, but he seems to have been out for so long that there must be doubt if he'll return. Shame TRJ never got a longer go.
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Re: Eng & Pak in Scotland, June 10-13

Postby sussexpob » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:49 pm

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sussexpob wrote:If England want to win the world cup then they need to look at this attack. Scoring runs for fun, but giving too many away


Stokes/Buttler/Woakes for Hales/Biilings/Willey could equal both more runs and wickets plus a better economy rate.


Ben Stokes econ rate is I believe in the top 4-5 worst of all time.
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Re: Eng & Pak in Scotland, June 10-13

Postby ianp1970 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:03 pm

sussexpob wrote:
ianp1970 wrote:
sussexpob wrote:If England want to win the world cup then they need to look at this attack. Scoring runs for fun, but giving too many away


Stokes/Buttler/Woakes for Hales/Biilings/Willey could equal both more runs and wickets plus a better economy rate.


Ben Stokes econ rate is I believe in the top 4-5 worst of all time.


Maybe, but that is not the point I was making.

Stokes & Woakes is a much better bowling combination than Hales/Billings & Willey.

Hales/Billings/Willey might score a lot of ODI runs together, but I'd be surprised If Stokes/Buttler/Woakes would not get more under the same circumstances...
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Re: Eng & Pak in Scotland, June 10-13

Postby andy » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:37 pm

Scotland take on Pak in a t20 today, hopefully Scotland can pull off another shock
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Re: Eng & Pak in Scotland, June 10-13

Postby ianp1970 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:58 pm

ianp1970 wrote:What a great idea to have a ten team World Cup :d'oh:


How it came about...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/23768414/how-world-cup-became-10-team-affair
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Re: Eng & Pak in Scotland, June 10-13

Postby The Professor » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:56 pm

Seems to me the boundaries are far too close in at The Grange. Malik and Sarfraz proved that today.....Bairstow gave it a go too.
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Re: Eng & Pak in Scotland, June 10-13

Postby andy » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:30 pm

boundaries were brought in so sky could get their cameras in there
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