Limited overs internationals: England v India.

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Re: Limited overs internationals: England v India.

Postby The Professor » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:33 pm

I know I'd get lynched for saying this in India but....there was something more than a little bit dodgy about Dhoni's innings today.
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Re: Limited overs internationals: England v India.

Postby DiligentDefence » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:22 am

The Professor wrote:I know I'd get lynched for saying this in India but....there was something more than a little bit dodgy about Dhoni's innings today.

Plenty of people saying something similar on HYS on the BBC. It's not the first time he has played that sort of innings. He often seems to me to play too many dot balls early in his innings but usually catches up. Something certainly wasn't right with him today but there are several possibilities as to what that could be.
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Re: Limited overs internationals: England v India.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:17 am

Except MSD doesn't need any cash and his reputation will be more valuable to him than a taste in a fix. Maybe Dhoni's sense of entitlement made him bat like that.
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Re: Limited overs internationals: England v India.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:20 am

Plunkett demonstrating how valuable he is in the middle overs.
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Re: Limited overs internationals: England v India.

Postby KipperJohn » Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:17 am

England effectively killed off the game which shows further progress - yes Dhoni’s innings seemed odd but credit to England the way they bowled to him. Not great for the spectators but a decent psychological blow nonetheless.
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Re: Limited overs internationals: England v India.

Postby bigfluffylemon » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:26 am

Dhoni perhaps doing a Gavaskar or a Boycott - batting for his average when it was clear the game was already gone...

Still, well done England. They bowled very tightly early on, and when it looked like India were recovering thanks to Kohli, his wicket killed the game off. England's bowling is still obviously weaker than their batting, but it's stronger than it's often been made out to be. It's not Australia or South Africa in terms of quality of the quicks, or India for quality spinners, but in overall effectiveness and balance, it's getting better. If only they could find a genuine fast strike bowler (Plunkett's good, but he's no Rabada/Boult/Starc), they'd have the complete package.
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Re: Limited overs internationals: England v India.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:53 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Prediction. India are borderline unbeatable in white ball cricket. England are at home. Maybe India to win the T20 and England the ODIs.


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Re: Limited overs internationals: England v India.

Postby bigfluffylemon » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:32 pm

Well done England for a come-from-behind to take the series. No question they deserve the number 1 in the world ranking right now.

15 ODIs between now and the World Cup, plus whatever friendly warm-ups are offered. 5 each away v Sri Lanka and West Indies, and 5 at home v Pakistan. The latter should be a good warm-up/run-in for the cup.

Can England win the world cup? Most certainly. They have the team to do it. Will they? Heart says yes, head says no. ODI knockouts are just so unpredictable, and how often does everything go right for England when we need it to?
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Re: Limited overs internationals: England v India.

Postby alfie » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:25 am

bigfluffylemon wrote:Well done England for a come-from-behind to take the series. No question they deserve the number 1 in the world ranking right now.

15 ODIs between now and the World Cup, plus whatever friendly warm-ups are offered. 5 each away v Sri Lanka and West Indies, and 5 at home v Pakistan. The latter should be a good warm-up/run-in for the cup.

Can England win the world cup? Most certainly. They have the team to do it. Will they? Heart says yes, head says no. ODI knockouts are just so unpredictable, and how often does everything go right for England when we need it to?


Well true...but on the other hand , they're probably "due"

Seriously think if the form holds up it's theirs to lose...main danger the sort of carelessness that saw two wickets tossed away unnecessarily on Tuesday - which didn't matter then , as it happened ; but might.

That and letting Stokes bowl at the death :)
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Re: Limited overs internationals: England v India.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:17 am

bigfluffylemon wrote:Well done England for a come-from-behind to take the series. No question they deserve the number 1 in the world ranking right now.



Maybe need some wins in Asia? They lost last time in India, though won v BD and Pakistan. They lost last time in SL, but that was before the WC with Cook as captain.
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Re: Limited overs internationals: England v India.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:27 am

bigfluffylemon wrote:Can England win the world cup? Most certainly. They have the team to do it. Will they? Heart says yes, head says no. ODI knockouts are just so unpredictable, and how often does everything go right for England when we need it to?


Could do with a gun go-to pace bowler to be strong favourites. A Starc or a Boult. Hard to pick weaknesses otherwise. Maybe Rashid and Plunkett could be less expensive (though they take a lot of wickets). Perhaps they overbowl Gentle Ben. England are good enough to win, but aren't like the Aussies under Waugh and Ponting where you expect them to win.
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Re: Limited overs internationals: England v India.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:28 am

Well done to Joe Root for a brilliant series against tough opposition. Particularly for overcoming the spin challenge. 216 runs for one dismissal.
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Re: Limited overs internationals: England v India.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:31 am

Query over MSD for India?

Another excellent series for Willey? Is he a pick now. With Woakes coming in for Wood?
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Re: Limited overs internationals: England v India.

Postby ianp1970 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:14 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Could do with a gun go-to pace bowler to be strong favourites. A Starc or a Boult. Hard to pick weaknesses otherwise. Maybe Rashid and Plunkett could be less expensive (though they take a lot of wickets). Perhaps they overbowl Gentle Ben. England are good enough to win, but aren't like the Aussies under Waugh and Ponting where you expect them to win.


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Re: Limited overs internationals: England v India.

Postby bigfluffylemon » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:29 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:
bigfluffylemon wrote:Can England win the world cup? Most certainly. They have the team to do it. Will they? Heart says yes, head says no. ODI knockouts are just so unpredictable, and how often does everything go right for England when we need it to?


Could do with a gun go-to pace bowler to be strong favourites. A Starc or a Boult. Hard to pick weaknesses otherwise. Maybe Rashid and Plunkett could be less expensive (though they take a lot of wickets). Perhaps they overbowl Gentle Ben. England are good enough to win, but aren't like the Aussies under Waugh and Ponting where you expect them to win.


Agreed, I said that up-thread.

As you say, they have won in Asia. Lost narrowly to India 2-1 (and one of those losses could easily have gone the other way). They play Sri Lanka away later in the year, and should win.
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