Second Test: England v India at Lords, 9-13 August 2018.

[ianp1970]

Not many would survive versus Anderson here in current conditions Adi!

[meninblue]

Flat track bullies being exposed brutally.

Bit harsh adi that.

It's a fact. His average in SA was 8 runs and now it's 9.

Don't see how is an all weather batsman.

[Dr Cricket]

Rahul averaged 7.50 in SA .On this tour he has averaged 9.

None of others averaged over 20 in SA apart from Virat. Same averages here as well.

Extreme bowling condition though, SA did barely better than the indian batsman, likewise so far in this tour the english batsman haven't been head and shoulder above the indian batsman so it is really harsh to criticise the batting so much when you consider on day 2 india batted in the most extreme Seam and swing conditions since record began.

Although today batting should give a better account and so far Vijay and Rahul couldn't do anything about the wicket.
the ball would get anyone out.

[meninblue]

Not many would survive versus Anderson here in current conditions Adi!

This is not one test, Ian. It's the fifth test everyone apart from Virat has been batting like this.

Tailenders stuff. Bhuvi and Ashwin had better averages than all specialist batsmen on tour of SA.

[Dr Cricket]

Flat track bullies being exposed brutally.

Bit harsh adi that.

It's a fact. His average in SA was 8 runs and now it's 9.

Don't see how is an all weather batsman.

Not everything is about average.
the way Rahul bats and him having a solid technique suspect Rahul would be a good bat on good wickets in all conditions.

let india play on a good deck first before making judgement on players Adi.

[Dr Cricket]

Not many would survive versus Anderson here in current conditions Adi!

This is not one test, Ian. It's the fifth test everyone apart from Virat has been batting like this.

Tailenders stuff. Bhuvi and Ashwin had better averages than all specialist batsmen on tour of SA.

Might be 5 test but india played on 4 extreme test matches if you can't understand that Adi you probably need help from a doctor.

[Dr Cricket]

wrote this a week ago before the test match.

The reason I want flatter decks in the other 4 games is mostly because india had 4 bowling friendly decks this year overseas because of it very hard to make a judgement on the indian batsman mostly because they haven't actually failed much compared to the home batsman, Sa batsman mostly failed and most of english batsman failed in Edgebaston.

stat going around showing the similarities between Kohli now and Tendulkar in the 90s both batsman basically carried the batting in SENA countries.
Both average around 50 in SENA countries with the rest of the batting line up averaging around 25 and both contributing around 25% of india runs in the countries.
in Naughties Tendulkar average was 52 so similar to the 90s total but was only 11 or 12% of india runs with Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag, Gambhir, Ganguly etc all contributing as well.

only difference at the moment between 90s and now is that the difference between the home side and india in these games isn't much which suggest the pitches were bowling friendly and the average was probably the best they could do in those conditions.
in a flatter deck if the likes of Rahane, Rahul, Vijay and the rest fail then obviously india gone back to the 90s and being an one man batting team away from Asia but if they do well then it suggest not really much wrong with the batting and it was all down to the conditions.

Very harsh to judge the indian players on the 9 innings so far they had overseas this year.
Have to see how they go in the 10th innings.

[Dr Cricket]

Not many would survive versus Anderson here in current conditions Adi!

This is not one test, Ian. It's the fifth test everyone apart from Virat has been batting like this.

Tailenders stuff. Bhuvi and Ashwin had better averages than all specialist batsmen on tour of SA.

You do realise batting gets easier with the old ball yeah so of course Bhuvi and Ashwin are gonna score runs when the batting gets easier, Highly doubt they would have scored the runs if they were in the top order.

[meninblue]

Flat track bullies being exposed brutally.

Bit harsh adi that.

It's a fact. His average in SA was 8 runs and now it's 9.

Don't see how is an all weather batsman.

Not everything is about average.
the way Rahul bats and him having a solid technique suspect Rahul would be a good bat on good wickets in all conditions.

let india play on a good deck first before making judgement on players Adi.

Yes, it's about rejecting warm up matches in SA. Performing worse than tailenders.

Then coming to England. Reducing one day from warmup after knowing and accepting in media that they should have played warmup in SA.

I know these very same batsmen will score 100,150,200 or even rare 300 . Damn sure they will be lions in jungle when in India but in SA and England they are like fish out of water.

At least even fish struggles and tries to get into water when taken out of pond. Been watching last 5 tests they are playing rubbish T20 shots, leaving huge gaps between bat and pad, trying to score over slip fielders and what not.

[sussexpob]

One of the pitches in SA had people calling for the test to be cancelled, and all by memory were raging movement pitches where home and away batters struggled.

Would Australia or England score runs on decks that turned right angles of day one? History says not.

England have made sure in a.historically dry and hot summer, the pitches produced would move like in a wet, cold April.

[Dr Cricket]

it should be noted in flatter decks in 2014, Vijay, Rahane and Rahul scored runs, Albeit in Rahul case it being only 2 test matches in SENA countries.

Rahane scored a match winning 40-50 in SA as well this year he was certainly a vital cog in the win at Johannesburg.

[Dr Cricket]

Flat track bullies being exposed brutally.

Bit harsh adi that.

It's a fact. His average in SA was 8 runs and now it's 9.

Don't see how is an all weather batsman.

Not everything is about average.
the way Rahul bats and him having a solid technique suspect Rahul would be a good bat on good wickets in all conditions.

let india play on a good deck first before making judgement on players Adi.

Yes, it's about rejecting warm up matches in SA. Performing worse than tailenders.

Then coming to England. Reducing one day from warmup after knowing and accepting in media that they should have played warmup in SA.

I know these very same batsmen will score 100,150,200 or even rare 300 . Damn sure they will be lions in jungle when in India but in SA and England they are like fish out of water.

At least even fish struggles and tries to get into water when taken out of pond. Been watching last 5 tests they are playing rubbish T20 shots, leaving huge gaps between bat and pad, trying to score over slip fielders and what not.

Agree the techniques of the players are poor but a lot of that blame got to go with Kohli and Shastri very unfair to blame the players when they trying their best and the management are giving them conflicted messages.

Pujara and Rahane two of india better players have been mucked around this season and then you have the Dhawan factor as well.
Then you have the Pandya backing that causing even more pressure on the batting order.

Adi give the team at least 5 test matches in england and few batting wickets to make judgement.
very harsh to make judgement on the matches so far this year.
Wait till the series is over and till india get some good batting wickets as well, a lot of india test matches this year been lottery wickets.
Although the english ones have been mostly down to conditions and not the pitch but not the case in SA.

[meninblue]

Not many would survive versus Anderson here in current conditions Adi!

This is not one test, Ian. It's the fifth test everyone apart from Virat has been batting like this.

Tailenders stuff. Bhuvi and Ashwin had better averages than all specialist batsmen on tour of SA.

You do realise batting gets easier with the old ball yeah so of course Bhuvi and Ashwin are gonna score runs when the batting gets easier, Highly doubt they would have scored the runs if they were in the top order.

So we should accept averages of 9 runs and 20 runs over a period of 5 test matches ? That too from 5 specialist batsmen.

I can understand one flop, but while batting lineup apart Virat, that too over a period of 5 tests.

Also being an Indian fan I hope you are aware about other things that are happening in context of all this ?

[Dr Cricket]

Not many would survive versus Anderson here in current conditions Adi!

This is not one test, Ian. It's the fifth test everyone apart from Virat has been batting like this.

Tailenders stuff. Bhuvi and Ashwin had better averages than all specialist batsmen on tour of SA.

You do realise batting gets easier with the old ball yeah so of course Bhuvi and Ashwin are gonna score runs when the batting gets easier, Highly doubt they would have scored the runs if they were in the top order.

So we should accept averages of 9 runs and 20 runs over a period of 5 test matches ? That too from 5 specialist batsmen.

I can understand one flop, but while batting lineup apart Virat, that too over a period of 5 tests.

Also being an Indian fan I hope you are aware about other things that are happening in context of all this ?

But no one was scoring runs in that series barring Special batsman or special innings in that series only AB, Elgar and kohli scored runs.

Batsman are allowed to fail in series you know.

[Durhamfootman]

is sending somebody else out for the few balls before lunch called 'captain's prerogative'?

can't be expected to show some responsibility

doubtless he'll have asked Ravi *modded* Shastri if he thought it was a good idea, and Ravi said "man from del monte says yes"

................Boss!