Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 August.

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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby sussexpob » Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:02 pm

yuppie wrote:Overall it is harsh to blame the bowlers, because for most of the time they are Englands only saving grace. But when they don't perform to their best, then England are in real trouble. A team should never loose 10 wickets in a session, the fault in this test is mostly with the batsman. But this test also shows that if the bowlers are not at the top of their game, then they really can not rely on the Batsman to get them out of trouble.


Undoubtedly. Someone with a better memory of me might be able to remember the last time our batting power won more than one test in a series.
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby DiligentDefence » Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:49 pm

Buttler looking all at sea against Bumrah.
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby meninblue » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:04 pm

England batting has been in disarray with so many below par averaging specialist batsmen since the past lineup has vacated spots one by one. It's almost like a revamp was required but England have only managed to find one very worthy batsman in Joe Root. Their is no core in this batting lineup. The averages clearly indicate they are either in work in progress or probably not quite test match material.
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:12 pm

Sums it up I think Adi.

Some resistance here.
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:13 pm

Only 372 to win now.
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby yuppie » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:29 pm

England get some respectability if they loose by less than 200?
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby DiligentDefence » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:41 pm

I'm not sure the commentators should be using the phrase " a bit of fight" when referring to Stokes.
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby DiligentDefence » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:46 pm

A whole session without a wicket. :o
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby meninblue » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:52 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Don't think anyone other than an Indian understands SRT.

To me, he was one of a generation of great batters, but by no means unarguably superior to the others. But VK seems a different kind of player, with more elan and less orthodoxy. But he's got to get the volume of runs on the board to be comparable to the best players of the generation before him. He could do with some more match winning overseas hundreds too (like here at TB).

It might be easier to accept him as an ATG though, compared with his heavy scoring contemporary Steve Smith, because he is considerably easier on the eye.

SRT was in a weaker line up for India in the first half of his career, than VK is now, I think.


Sachin's longevity and his terrific average even after having played 200 tests is what sets him apart. It looked like some specialist batsmen would get past him, but they faltered for some or other reasons. He has gone through numerous injuries, recurring back pain in late 1990's and the severe tennis elbow in 2005. There were numerous other injuries too like the groin injury, hamstrings, thighs, knee , toe, hand etc apart from those two major injuries which threatened his cricketing career. Yet he managed to perform. imo if someone manages to bat as much as he did right from age 6 to age 40 and set mind boggling records, it is a great achievement in itself. It does not only shows the quality as a batsman, but it also shows how he well his body handled workload, how well he handled the stress and the fame in a cricket crazy country. Not to mention he also has played 463 ODI and maintained impeccable average and SR ratio even for those days. Then he has 200 wickets against his name which suggests how much extra workload he has taken. The only other cricketer of his era to have put so much effort imo is Jacques Kallis. Lesser matches but that is made up by being a pace bowler across all formats. Those two were the workhorses.

There was always a comparison between him and Lara in global media and then Sachin and Vinod Kambli amongst Indian fans. Apart from these frequent comparison, Rahul Dravid, Jacques Kallis, Michael Clarke, Ricky Ponting were also compared.

Kallis struggled to adapt his batting to ODI and T20 format, so did Rahul. Whereas Ponting and Clarke could adapt across different formats in the very next match. Technically all of those were equally good with only the odd flaw once could point in the way they handled the bowling. But then when it mattered to operate like a run machine for years and years, nobody comes close to him. That is what sets him apart imo.


Virat too, like Cook and Clarke did at one point, looks set to surpass his test achievements. Having said that, it is still a long way to go. He still has to overcome the injuries which are inevitable to happen in long career and it is that phase which is crucial. The second half when a batsman will go through few injuries have had a lot of impact and it will be interesting to see if Virat manages to make his way through those phases and still operate as successfully as the way he does. It's a long way imo and only time will tell. It's a case of 90 runs in ten powerplay overs will not necessarily lead to 450 runs in ODI. When other factors start to influence, there are brakes. Cricketers career is no different. Once the age catches up and the players know more about weaknesses, the new injuries coming up and recurring ones start getting severe it becomes a totally different ball game. To me handling that aspect well has set Sachin totally apart in terms of numbers, which imo is very important.
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby sussexpob » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:53 pm

Buttler riding his luck as far as I have seen flicking over. Not sure on Stokes, not seen much of his innings as every time I flick, its Buttler facing.
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby DiligentDefence » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:05 pm

sussexpob wrote:Buttler riding his luck as far as I have seen flicking over. Not sure on Stokes, not seen much of his innings as every time I flick, its Buttler facing.

Stokes has been pretty solid, Buttler much less so.
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby The Professor » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:55 pm

Not overly impressed with Pant's wicket-keeping.
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:04 pm

Stokes must be batting within himself, looking at balls faced. So doing the job his team needs.
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby meninblue » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:05 pm

103* for Jos. Well played.

521 is too much though. 220/4 won't be 440 / 8. Matter of time they will fall short. It would have been nice if we had won by 300 runs. Jos has managed to give some respect to the scorecard.
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby meninblue » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:08 pm

New ball due in 2.3 overs as well. That will help. Some fast runs with ball flying away quickly, but some stumps will also fly.
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