Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 August.

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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby Dr Cricket » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:13 am

Rishabh Pant to make his debut today.

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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby ddb » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:14 am

Hope we last till Monday. Like the move to bring in Pant
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby Dr Cricket » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:23 am

Hopefully the pitch is flat.
playing a lot in bowling friendly decks looks like it destroying the confidence of the players Minds and they are doubting their techniques and because of that they look out of sync in their movements which again makes them struggle more with the moving ball.

Think the likes of Rahul, Rahane etc need a score so they get the confidence and believe that they belong in this level.

In particular Rahane look shot, hopefully Pant is a bit of a fresh air in the batting line up.

Read one article today that barring Ashwin and Kohli none of the indian batsman this year barring Afghan test have been attacking the bad ball and one reason for that was because the batsman were setting up for the full ball and the moving ball and unable to make the short of the length or the wide short balls count for much whereas SA and England have been able to score runs off india bad balls.


Ashwin looked good with the bat in the last test and proved to the other bats you can bat without always playing front foot shots

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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby Dr Cricket » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:30 am

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story?id=24 ... onditions=

this article was quite good.
The batsman will certainly want a batting deck to get confidence again.

Only 48 runs came in that session of 25 overs, and it was hard to tell how Cheteshwar Pujara and Rohit Sharma, who batted through the bulk of it, could have scored any more. Over after over, both did most things right - they played with a straight bat and soft hands, and were vigilant outside off stump - but even so, it seemed a matter of time before an unplayable ball or a small error of judgment would arrive. The conditions increased the frequency of the former and magnified the consequences of the latter.

Pretty much every innings India have batted in on these two tours has been similar, give or take a couple of degrees of difficulty. The cumulative effect on this batting line-up cannot be overstated. Form can be self-perpetuating, whether it's good form as in the case of Virat Kohli or bad as in the case of every other India batsman. You can trust in your methods, as Pujara has done, soaking up pressure and avoiding any risk whatsoever, and average 14.75. Or you can change your game and go after balls you might ordinarily leave, as Ajinkya Rahane has done, and average 17.50.

Think this part is the most telling part of it.
you can play really well like Pujara and Rohit sharma did in that session and that one magic ball gets you out and with the conditions so far this year the chances of getting the magic ball is quite high and in the end of the series you don't actually average that much even though you batted quite well and to the best of your abilty or you can attack the bowlers and score runs before you get out a bit Like Pandya or Rahane mentioned there and still average the same amount.

The key point is that the indian batsman barring Ashwin and Kohli do not trust their defence anymore.
in Test cricket it is impossible to score runs if you can not trust your defence.


"In extremely bowler-friendly conditions, the margin between failure and success can be that small. Go back to India's only win on this cycle of tours, and M Vijay's second-innings masterclass on a Johannesburg pitch of shockingly inconsistent bounce. It yielded him all of 25 runs. Imagine batting with utmost vigilance for more than three hours, leaving painstakingly outside off stump, taking a battering from rising balls, and ending up with just 25."

"A Test batsman can expect to be challenged by such conditions occasionally, once or twice a year perhaps. This year, India's top order has had to endure them week in and week out. There have been no cheap 25s, forget cheap fifties and hundreds. In the era of Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar and VVS Laxman, India never went through back-to-back tours in conditions as difficult as this, with New Zealand in 2002-03 perhaps the only comparable single tour."

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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby ddb » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:33 am

Lost another toss ffs
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby Dr Cricket » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:33 am

Good toss to lose I think.

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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby Dr Cricket » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:35 am

Hopefully I am still posting at the end of the day.

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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby Dr Cricket » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:42 am

ddb wrote:Lost another toss ffs


TBH didn't want india to win the toss anyway especially with Kohli and Shastri clueless about conditions and not really sure what they want do to anyway.

plus Toss is so difficult to decide in england anyway with the dukes and moisture on day 1.
it will generally do a bit in the morning and then become a batting deck later on the day.

always a risk if india wins too many Toss matches they probably elect to bowl too much and let England bat on good batting days.

likewise with india batting being a bit of a problem lately they very unlikely to bat first in a 50-50 situation.
Remember the great saying of bat and always bat and if you thinking of bowling bat again.

From what holding says I think it probably going to go up and down in the 4th innings so it probably be better to score the runs in the first innings.

Not sure I would bowl first here.

We have to see what happens.

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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby Dr Cricket » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:44 am

It should be noted barring Brisbane 2002, vast majority of the cock up in toss occurs in England anyway.
Tbh it tends to be the only nation where captain even have doubts on Batting or bowling on day 1.

England probably the only nation you probably don't really want to win the toss unless you are in insane conditions like lords 2014 and 2018 where it is screaming bowl first.

Don't forget pakistan and england both screwed the toss on the May test matches.

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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby Dr Cricket » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:50 am

Imho if a class batsman like Rahane is struggling in Test match this year, probably shows how bowling friendly the deck have been plus Ishant average 21 odd.

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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:55 am

Not often a good pitch at TB and difficult to predict how it will age. But we all know it will swing if the weather is right.

Probably bat first. It will swing, but it may well swing all match, but the pitch will get worse. You do run the risk of being skittled for under three figures though on the first morning.

Just hope there's a little pace in it. TB produced too man slow/low wickets these days (like the last time India were here).
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:59 am

Surprised Dhawan is back so soon. Seems A&B aren't going to rotate, but the Indian openers are.

Hardik survives. Bumrah's first Test in UK.

Would be good to see India fight back in the series.
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Re: Third Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby Dr Cricket » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:04 am

Seems like Vijay career might be over.
he looks all over the place in terms of his technique lately specially his shuffle he does as a trigger movement, causing him all sorts of issues lately.
Tough one though because he got class and his 25 did win the Johannesburg Test match.

If Vijay goes struggling to see india next opener unless they wanting to promote Gill and Shaw soon.
Can't See Dhawan surviving for much longer either.
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Re: First Test: England v India at Trent Bridge, 18-22 Augus

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:04 am

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Arthur Crabtree wrote:Someone change the title of this thread!

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