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Fourth Test: England vs India 2018

Postby andy » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:10 pm

4th test, dosen't start for 6 days or so, but time to move things into this thread :)
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Re: Fourth Test: England vs India 2018

Postby bigfluffylemon » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:51 pm

Am I right in thinking this is only the third test hosted by the Rose Bowl?
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Re: Fourth Test: England vs India 2018

Postby Dr Cricket » Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:37 pm

2 of them involving India as well.
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Re: Fourth Test: England vs India 2018

Postby Slipstream » Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:44 am

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Re: Fourth Test: England vs India 2018

Postby alfie » Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:45 am

Slipstream wrote:Ali to play then.. :)
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling


Jokes aside I think he should. Rashid hasn't been at all disgraced and the pitches have been such that he has not had a lot of opportunity to shine ; but nothing has happened to change the view that I and many others held before the series : in red ball cricket , against an opponent who can play spin , he is not likely to prove a cutting edge weapon.
The main attack for England revolves around the pace men and the spinner is essentially a relief/support/occasional partnership breaker...the main requirement is reliability , and hopefully a measure of control ( in England , that is : overseas , different criteria apply. But England is where this series is being played)
Granted Moeen doesn't always offer too much control. But he has enjoyed success in the past even against Indian bats , and is - assuming he is now past the injury/confidence issues that plagued him down under - perfectly capable of doing a job ; perhaps more Giles than Swann but still effective.
And with the weakness of the top order batting his potential to further extend the strength of the lower middle should surely not be ignored...
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Re: Fourth Test: England vs India 2018

Postby Slipstream » Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:32 pm

alfie wrote:
Slipstream wrote:Ali to play then.. :)
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling


Jokes aside I think he should. Rashid hasn't been at all disgraced and the pitches have been such that he has not had a lot of opportunity to shine ; but nothing has happened to change the view that I and many others held before the series : in red ball cricket , against an opponent who can play spin , he is not likely to prove a cutting edge weapon.
The main attack for England revolves around the pace men and the spinner is essentially a relief/support/occasional partnership breaker...the main requirement is reliability , and hopefully a measure of control ( in England , that is : overseas , different criteria apply. But England is where this series is being played)
Granted Moeen doesn't always offer too much control. But he has enjoyed success in the past even against Indian bats , and is - assuming he is now past the injury/confidence issues that plagued him down under - perfectly capable of doing a job ; perhaps more Giles than Swann but still effective.
And with the weakness of the top order batting his potential to further extend the strength of the lower middle should surely not be ignored...


Well his confidence should be up 8/89 plus 219. He bats at 3 for Worcs. You could even try him there for England and move Root to 4.

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They are looking at trying Bairstow at 4 and taking the gloves off him. I don't think he will be successful there, especially not having the gloves. He is the better keeper and at 7 where he has 3 100s.
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Re: Fourth Test: England vs India 2018

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:11 pm

Agree JB1 should go to seven and keep, though it's a press favourite that he should give up the gloves and apparently Bayliss has said Buttler may remain keeper.

Mo doesn't look like a Test number three to me. I rather hope they don't go back to him as a spinner either, as his record over many years was so poor as a bowler (even allowing for some very good days). Which is a shame as he's one of the more likeable players around, and he bowls with a lot of revs. But I think he's a slightly lesser bowler than he was when he first came into the side when he showed potential.

Much as I have a weakness for all rounders, I think you can have too many who don't quite get in for their batting and don't quite get in for their bowling, and England have Stokes and maybe Woakes in that category. Even that's one too many. England shouldn't give up their search for a spinner so hastily by going back to one who has shown us his shortcomings so abundantly. He's too loose to bat at the top of the order. I think he should be filed under white ball specialist.
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Re: Fourth Test: England vs India 2018

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:12 pm

Hope I'm wrong though.
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Re: Fourth Test: England vs India 2018

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:14 pm

Sounds like JB1 is determined to play through the pain. The coaches shouldn't let him. Playing when injured usually turns out badly and his fielding will be compromised even if he doesn't keep.
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Re: Fourth Test: England vs India 2018

Postby alfie » Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:31 pm

Read that Bayliss comment about the keeping . Not sure it sounds as if he's set on the idea of a switch...more his (usual) style of suggesting all things are possible.
Seems sensible enough this match sees Jonny restricted to batting only (if he even plays) but while that gives Jos another chance to impress I don't think that makes it axiomatic that he then keeps the job - no matter the number of media types who keep pushing that idea.
Bayliss clearly is attracted by the notion that Jonny might help solve top order problems but I'm not sure he's that convinced yet. And I note he also mentions "other" alternatives - presumably Foakes ?

My own take is that Bairstow is already proven to be the superior "w/k no 7 " of the two and really should be first choice for that role. Buttler's recent form suggests he just might make a case for himself as a pure batsman - though I can't see him higher than five myself. Logic says that would be worth trying once both are fit. Because quite frankly I don't think either of the two JBs can fix the top three issues ...and since I maintain Root has to go back to four sooner or later then that remains a totally separate matter...

Agree with Arthur that YJB should give this game a miss if he's still suffering with the injury.
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Re: Fourth Test: England vs India 2018

Postby Durhamfootman » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:36 pm

bigfluffylemon wrote:Am I right in thinking this is only the third test hosted by the Rose Bowl?

and the last

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Re: Fourth Test: England vs India 2018

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:27 pm

Getting a Thursday start though. And The Oval has been pushed to Friday.
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Re: Fourth Test: England vs India 2018

Postby Slipstream » Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:40 am

I can remember India with 3 seamers and a spinner overseas. Dhoni always saying he wished they had an all-rounder. Now they have Bumrah, Sharma, Shami, Pandya.

I really don't hold any hope of these England batsmen getting many runs. At the Oval last time we made 591/6d. Batsmen like Strauss, Bell, Pietersen, Prior who you expected to get big scores. Now we have batsmen batting out of postition, not sure if Bairstow or Stokes are fit, Cook and Jennings :scared and so many dropped catches.
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Re: Fourth Test: England vs India 2018

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:49 am

Still 2-1 to England and India's batting has badly struggled to adapt. Games will hinge on the conditions. India have obviously done better in England than vv, but they have batted far worse than I thought they would. Either side could collapse in an instant. Given half the luck, I expect England to win the series from here.
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Re: Fourth Test: England vs India 2018

Postby Durhamfootman » Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:26 pm

Durhamfootman wrote:
bigfluffylemon wrote:Am I right in thinking this is only the third test hosted by the Rose Bowl?

and the last

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