5th Test: England vs India - The Kia Oval

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Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:30 pm

Dude if you haven't watch the series, how the hell can you comment on the series lol.

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Re: 5th Test: England vs India - The Kia Oval

Postby meninblue » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:45 pm

Virat in post match interview:

India captain Virat Kohli: [Rahul and Pant] "Credit has to go to both those young guys for stepping up on this stage. From three wickets down, it take guts. It might not show in the scoreline but both sides played in great spirit. That was an example of two guys not giving up and entertaining the crowd. This has been one of the best series I've been involved in, and a great advert for Test cricket. We didn't speak about the result, we just wanted to go out and see what happened, waiting and watching, things can change very quickly. That's the beauty of this format. Take nothing away from those two guys, especially someone like Rishabh who's come in and shown grit and determination. We certainly have the belief. It was a great preview of what's in store for him. [Regrets?] Definitely think we will sit down and think about, if we had taken those opportunities, we missed quite few. When both teams are going for wins, you can have a result that looks like that [4-1], they don't go for draws. They played fearless, you hardly have draws in these tense series and that's what the scoreline shows. I'm not saying it wasn't a fair scoreline, because they played better than us, but we can take a lot of heart and apply lessons to how we play Test cricket. [Difference between sides?] There's a reason why we voted for Sam as MOS, he attacked with the bat and with the ball, and made important contributions. It takes character for someone to come in and play like that. He put England in front in those important Test matches. [Health of Test cricket?] First and foremost there should be exciting pitches, and both teams should play for the win.Fans come to watch teams be competitive, and I think that is important for the format.Just one word for Alastair, you've had a great career, for everything you've done, we wish you all the best for the future."

Just what i mentioned in my previous post :no . Rosy picture will be showed. 1-4 is a great advert to test cricket. Why this secret was hidden so long. I for one thought Virat was one aggressive cricketer who cares for results rather than just turning out. But it seems he is happy that they turned out and fought. Well, every team , even Afghanistan and Bangladesh and Zimbabwe fight. Who reaches this level without the intent of fighting. Just the fight is not important. Results matter.


Liked that in the moment of loss he did not fail to praise the achievement of Alaistair Cook. The best test batsman from England i have seen. The most successful run scorer who has toured India. No other tourist has scored more runs than him in our country. And especially when that tourist is England batsman to whom conditions are so adverse, it is a great achievement. His batting patience, the determination to score 200+ and grit was amazing. It was a joy to watch him. There are few batsmen who are role models in test cricket and i would say he fits to be a role model for an aspiring batsmen. Good for England cricket. Once again Well Played. :salute
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Re: 5th Test: England vs India - The Kia Oval

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:50 pm

Lol the man comes again,

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Re: 5th Test: England vs India - The Kia Oval

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:52 pm

Dude you do realise one team has to lose every game right.

people like you are actually embarrassment to cricket fans.

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Re: 5th Test: England vs India - The Kia Oval

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:58 pm

it is actually embarrassing and pathetic to have a go at teams because they lose IMHO.
Fine have a go at them if you feel they could do better and gave up and didn't play to their potential like in 2014 or 2011.
but when the team is giving their 100% and played to the maximum of their ability and you as a player and fan know the players couldn't give any more to the result it is pathetic and sad to have go at them and you just have to give credit to england and Sam curran for playing better in the crunch moments.

No one can have a go at india effort and commitment in the SA or india series and if you are then you really have to question if you are a cricket supporter.

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Re: 5th Test: England vs India - The Kia Oval

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:09 pm

Talking about players think every india players could take something from this series and hopefully improve from it.
only really Rahane, Ashwin and Dhawan were a disappointment and even Dhawan probably played to the best of his ability and he did try and adapt to the conditions.

Everyone else could learn from this and become a better player.
Hopefully this was KL Rahul, Dravid and laxaman moment, they both struggled in their first SENA tours and both played some gem of an innings in the last test matches of some of those tours and became very good players afterwards.
Hopefully Kl rahul could push on and become better player now.

A lot of positives india could take out of this series.

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Re: 5th Test: England vs India - The Kia Oval

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:29 pm

Stats for the series.

Kohli 593 runs average 59.
Buttler 349 runs average 38
Cook 327 runs average 36
Root 319 runs average 35.44
KL rahul 299 runs average 29

low scoring series really with only Kohli, Buttler and curran doing well with the bat
looking at the stats not really much difference between the batting barring india not having the depth in the order like england did, wonder how crucial it was not playing jadeja in the series would be, plus bhuvi of course with his injury.


Anderson 24 wickets 18
Ishants Sharma 18 wickets 24
Broad 16 wickets 29
Shami 16 wickets 38 (god knows how he averaging 38 very unlucky in this series bowled some gem of a spells, far better in this series than he was in SA yet a worse average although he did pick up wickets.
Bumrah 14 wickets at 24
Funny enough Shami got the highest average so a very bowling friendly series.

Ashwin injury and them not replacing him with Jadeja seemed to be a crucial factor again.

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Re: 5th Test: England vs India - The Kia Oval

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:52 pm

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... were-kohli

" India's captain Virat Kohli believes India have the character and skill to win difficult tours; they just need the experience to close out tough situations with fearless and smart cricket. He said the scoreline of 4-1 to England didn't show how competitive the series was, and that both the teams and those who understand cricket know it."

Got to say kohli speaking a lot of sense in the article hopefully india can become a better team and learn from the mistake here.

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Re: 5th Test: England vs India - The Kia Oval

Postby ddb » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:08 pm

This is a cricket forum. This isn't twitter. It will be discussed over pm the above but let's have some actual discussion in the cricket threads not name calling or personal attacks.

Anyway.

Was happy for Pant today, that could be big for us leading into Australia.

Drop Dhawan and look to bring in Shaw? Play Jadeja instead of Pandya with 4 pace bowlers - Bhuvi, Shami, Ishant, Bumrah
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Re: 5th Test: England vs India - The Kia Oval

Postby yuppie » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:19 pm

Must say that Pant looked a totally different player today. From looking totally out of his depth, to looking like he belonged.
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Re: 5th Test: England vs India - The Kia Oval

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:24 pm

Tbh pant looks decent in his first test match, but looked very bad on his 2nd test match, Suspect he never played in conditions that help pace men that much or in conditions with so much swing and seam.

looked good today in easier batting conditions.

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Re: 5th Test: England vs India - The Kia Oval

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:36 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cri ... 1536691381
a very good article here.

"The baseline facts are these: India have scored more centuries and taken more five-wicket hauls. The series’ top run-scorer (Virat Kohli), its two highest innings and arguably its four best knocks (Kohli at Edgbaston, Cheteshwar Pujara at Southampton, KL Rahul and Rishabh Pant here) have all come from India. India have had the more consistent seam attack, the better top four and the better top six. And yet, India have succumbed to their worst defeat since England whitewashed them here in 2011.

It was a worse scoreline than their 3-1 defeat here in 2014, and yet a far superior performance. Unlike four years ago, when MS Dhoni’s side posed the interesting metaphysical question of whether a cricket team can be both present and on the plane home at the same time"

"But as a leader, Kohli has been found wanting. He has often been guilty of chasing the ball when it comes to field positions, of overusing bowlers who are not producing and underusing bowlers with the ability to change the game. And you wonder whether his semi-deific status within Indian cricket, while driving him to new heights as a player, has quite the opposite effect on his team-mates. With the exception of Ishant Sharma and - fleetingly - Pujara, India’s senior players have been a disappointment."

"But all that can wait for now. A series that was billed at its outset as the apex of India’s rise to greatness, and dismissed after two games as a damp mismatch that portended the death of Test cricket, ultimately ended up as neither. It has, quite simply, been riotously good fun: two flawed teams fighting tooth and nail and throwing up an all-action Hollywood blockbuster. And like a Hollywood blockbuster, sometimes it’s best not to try to make much sense of it."

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Re: 5th Test: England vs India - The Kia Oval

Postby Gingerfinch » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:55 pm

564 wickets for Jimmy, with Broad on his tail, though it's a long tail. Amazing to think they'll end up with well over 1000 test wickets between them, and having played mostly together. There have been better pairings but that is some record.
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Re: 5th Test: England vs India - The Kia Oval

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:05 pm

ddb wrote:This is a cricket forum. This isn't twitter. It will be discussed over pm the above but let's have some actual discussion in the cricket threads not name calling or personal attacks.


work both ways you can not just come to a cricket forum after not watching any of the series on tv and basically comment the series on Cricinfo and be so negative about everything about indian cricket and top of that speak so much nonsense.
got history of it as well considering he called a lot of the batsman joker before and obviously hasn't watch one game this year, yet he has the cheek to criticise the team.

Without sounding too much like someone on another forum, if you wanna criticise india so much at least tell us ways you gonna fix it or actually how you would do better than kohli or the current selectors for it to be better, rather than saying bad stuff about them and literally not adding anything barring india gonna win everything in india and asia.


About time Adi start being realistic as well, imho being competitive away from asia and giving team a scare is a very good effort and to win away from home you need to be brillant and have all the luck your way and all the crucial moments go your way.

Imho 2-6 in SENA test isn't that bad considering in at least 5 of them the games could have gone either way.

About time adi starts appreciating the effort considering no india side as won many games in SENA nations, it should be noted this kohli generation got the similar amount of win in SENA nations than the great india side of the naughties.

let be realistic here to win away from home outside the comfort zone isn't something that happens all the time, even the great Aussie team struggled in india and needed a lot of luck and things to go their way in 2004 and that too after 3 attempts.
England average a series win in Australia and india every 25 years.
England have only won 1 series in asia excluding bangladesh since 2003.

About time he start being realistic and start appreciating India effort and get behind the boys in blue.

I really can't see how anyone as a supporter for any nation or team in sports can be negative, I really don't see how any one can be pessimistic in sports, even before the series started in England and australia adi was thinking the worse and expected it.

plus it is best to wait after the Australia series is over as well.
those 4 test will now determine how india did in this year, if they win that series it suddenly put perspective of the performances in England and Sa.

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Re: 5th Test: England vs India - The Kia Oval

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:11 pm

Imho even if you are pessimistic and expecting the worse even then you should be able to appreciate a good performance from the team.

loads of pessimistic england fans were starting to get into the bandwagon of england bringing it home during the world cup.

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