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Re: Pakistan tour of England 2019

Postby ianp1970 » Sun May 19, 2019 3:32 pm

And you much pretty much think that's game over.
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Re: Pakistan tour of England 2019

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun May 19, 2019 3:35 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:I read on cricinfo that Woakes has been the best first ten over wicket taker in ODIs in the past year or so.


2-2-0-3! Woakes does his record no harm.
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Re: Pakistan tour of England 2019

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun May 19, 2019 3:38 pm

Not my stat, but England the first side to make 340+ in four consecutive ODIs.

Of course, you have to concede enough runs to allow you to create that record.
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Re: Pakistan tour of England 2019

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun May 19, 2019 6:02 pm

Another win for England who maintain alleged momentum going into the WC.

Maybe apart from the indisposed Roy, this was the side they'll start the competition with?

5-33 so far for Woakes.
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Re: Pakistan tour of England 2019

Postby sussexpob » Sun May 19, 2019 6:37 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Maybe apart from the indisposed Roy, this was the side they'll start the competition with?


England seriously need to consider whether their current spin duo is the one to go for, because Moeen is getting annihilated in every game this year, and Rashid's yearly econ rate is 6.7, with two games at the tailend of last year in SL also giving him econs of plus 7. Neither are frankly anywhere near form, and Moeen's duck with the bat also highlights just how bad he has become with that.... you could make the case he's been reduced to a late order slogger, sounds fair.... SR since 2018 is in the 80s, so even if this is true, Moeen is not actually slogging, but playing at a below average rate (and miserably failing to get runs, his average is not far from 15!!!).

Stokes is another player we have to probably accept has a fully different role to his one on paper, I think its pretty much getting to the stage where Morgan is stopping handed him the ball..... SR of 65 balls a wicket and a frankly terrible econ rate up there with the worst ever, hes got to be judged now as a batsman....and his SR in 13 games as a bat last year was 76!!! 76 is 1990s level striking (although he's back to the lower 90s in recent times, and as a hitter you'd think we could back him).

I personally think Woakes makes himself pickable, Woods generally done ok with keeping runs down..... if the others were removed at this current point, I wouldnt be very bothered at all.
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Re: Pakistan tour of England 2019

Postby sussexpob » Sun May 19, 2019 6:58 pm

Slipstream wrote:Curran is at no 2 in the PCA rankings after Roy. I think he should have been MOM in the 2 games he has played


Yes, Sam apparently has nearly double the points of Buttler in the MVP rankings.

Buttler averages 71 on the year, with a SR of 150..... I wonder if anyone else has ever averaged that high, at that pace? These are around 50SR over what is considered a WC top player rate, and about 30 runs per innings over players who would be considered timeless ODI quality..... to think hes got HALF the ranking points of Curran indicates to me the system has been designed by someone not very bright.

Curran on the other hand has a yearly econ rate with the ball that is 0.02 runs per over off the worst career average ever recorded, and a wicket average in the 30s which could be considered below average. He hasnt scored a 50 in ODI. Sounds a remarkable system of ranking they are using.

Curran is around the worst ever econ rates in the history of the game for test teams ( he might be bang on it considering the Irish guy above him was playing in a non-test team at the time)...... and he might bat, but hes down in a slot where he averages about 10 balls a game, so his batting consideration means very little.... and his SR in ODIs is lower than the expected two batting below him, meaning if anything, the more he bats the less efficient the team is.

He should be nowhere near the WC squad in my opinion. I dont care if he takes a few tailender wickets..... he conceded 75 the other day, and after removing a few tailenders, still got carted by their replacements.
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Re: Pakistan tour of England 2019

Postby Durhamfootman » Sun May 19, 2019 7:09 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Maybe apart from the indisposed Roy, this was the side they'll start the competition with?

looks more like a shoot out to me. To bring Wood and Archer back in and then rest them again suggests to me that they'll both start. Plunkett rested for the last 2 is either right out of the reckoning or a certain starter. I think probably the latter, so this seems more like a shoot out for the 4th seamer slot.... which I imagine Woakes has just won, leaving Curran and Willey fighting for the final slot in the 15
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Re: Pakistan tour of England 2019

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun May 19, 2019 7:56 pm

England going in with Archer and Wood would represent a big last minute change on the fringe of the WC. I expect they'll both be in the squad but it doesn't feel certain they'll both start. Wood is a big injury risk and not a player it feels sensible to build your hopes on.

Plunkett and Woakes are shoo-ins.
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Re: Pakistan tour of England 2019

Postby Durhamfootman » Sun May 19, 2019 8:56 pm

Am I to assume that there will be no highlights of the WC on FTA television?
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Re: Pakistan tour of England 2019

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun May 19, 2019 9:24 pm

I think these have to be made available.
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Re: Pakistan tour of England 2019

Postby sussexpob » Sun May 19, 2019 9:43 pm

A deal was concluded before the weekend according to the news, or was imminent....C4
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Re: Pakistan tour of England 2019

Postby sussexpob » Sun May 19, 2019 9:43 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:England going in with Archer and Wood would represent a big last minute change on the fringe of the WC. I expect they'll both be in the squad but it doesn't feel certain they'll both start. Wood is a big injury risk and not a player it feels sensible to build your hopes on.

Plunkett and Woakes are shoo-ins.


I think they have to take Dawson with the form of both spinners
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Re: Pakistan tour of England 2019

Postby bigfluffylemon » Sun May 19, 2019 11:03 pm

10 days to go.

10 team round robin, 9 matches per team. 6 wins ought to have a team in contention for the knockouts, 7 should seal it.

You'd think England should achieve that at home. But I'm still nervous about the knockouts. And being England, no doubt they will do it the hard way getting to the knockouts, either through rain or a bad early loss.
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