NZ v England test matches, November 2019

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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby sussexpob » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:47 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Sounds like Pope got out with the flaw that kept getting exposed in his first exposure to international bowlers. Driving without control at balls wide of off.


Yeah, the ball was really wide and swinging away.... have to leave those ones. He also had a dally down the wicket at one point and was given out (saved on review) lbw, but not really sure why coming down the pitch to the pace bowler was a good idea in his mind. Stokes too got out seemingly on the move to the pace bowler. Maybe it was a plan they had, but I cant really understand why.

There was far more swing on offer around this time it appears (on the shorter highlights). Not sure if the Kiwi's just applied themselves better, or if conditions or the second ball were better, but certainly got the ball talking for a bit
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:56 pm

Looks like the Kiwis are stablising things fairly well. No early wickets. England waste a review.
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby bigfluffylemon » Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:50 am

Root bags Nicholls, which won't do my fantasy team much good. But NZ are clawing back.

Fascinating test match, neither side can seize the upper hand and maintain it. You'd still be happier to be England, what with bowling last and NZ 5 down and 150 behind, but NZ's batting is stronger than England's, especially in their home conditions. One more good partnership for NZ and a typical top order England collapse is all it will take for the Kiwis to be on top.
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby bigfluffylemon » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:59 am

NZ showing the difference between going on and throwing it away. Looks like England will have a big deficit now.

As I said, one big partnership.

England will have to bat well in the second innings. Pitch has flattened out, as they often do in NZ.
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:55 am

NZ fighting back well. Nice to see the gutsy Durham bat BJW make a ton.
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby The Professor » Sat Nov 23, 2019 10:53 am

Root getting a lot of criticism for starting with Curran and Broad. I suspect he was trying to preserve him; something he was panned for not doing in The Ashes.
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby sussexpob » Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:40 am

NZ have almost certainly batted England out of the game now. Its hard to see how England can turn this round, not because they are so far out the game that they cant, but because the impetuous will be on them to cover their lines of retreat for the draw before going for the win. And scoring rates on this pitch have been very slow, so I cant see them wracking up a good size total in double quick time to allow them both the option of protecting the game and trying to win it.

At the moment its easy for NZ; bat as long as possible, and win the match by bowling England out cheaply in the second innings. If NZ get a lead of a 100 by the end of the morning session, which considering scoring rates and the fact that they have an established partnership unbroken, looks possible, then you;d think England have to spent at least the afternoon batting towards parity, although my guess will be they will dig in and desperately try to keep their partnerships going. With scoring rates in the 2.7 zone for both teams, it only works out at 240 runs per day coming off the bat, so in order for England to get simply to parity we are talking in this scenario they make it with about 15-20 overs left of the day. Then probably have 50 in the bank tomorrow evening.

Given a lead of 50, without wickets into account by this point, if you bat at a quicker rate of say 100 runs a session (and with a slender lead, the slogging isnt going to arrive until the match is safe), one session down your 150 ahead but NZ have an easy target score in 66 overs. One session left you are 250 ahead and NZ cant win in 33 overs and wont try, but your asking for a 10 wickets in 30 odd overs with a batting side just looking to drop anchor, so draw is almost certain. Go half way into the day, that would be 200 ish in 45 overs, which is too dooable for any captain to take on in test 1 of a series. Its nearly there, but probably subtract a handful of overs to take the RR into a more certain draw territory. None of this leaves England in a great position to win, and that assumes they can achieve a vastly better scoring rate than both teams have managed on this pitch. If using the going rate for the game, the point at which England would secure the draw would almost make it pointless to send NZ into bat, theyd be no time left.

So yeah, at this point for a result in England's favour, they need NZ to fail with both innings and be able to bat out the best part of 4 sessions, followed by a rampage in the last. NZ just need to take this lead into something handy, and bowl England out in a days worth of play to have a chance.

But draw is favourite for me at this point. England are the underdogs on the result.
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:09 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:NZ fighting back well. Nice to see the gutsy Durham bat BJW make a ton.


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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:15 pm

Those two tons took BJ past McCullum as NZ highest scoring WK, with two more tons in only four more games.

He comes fifth for the best batting averages for keepers to have scored more than 1000 Test runs.

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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Durhamfootman » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:10 pm

sussexpob wrote:NZ just need to take this lead into something handy, and bowl England out in a days worth of play to have a chance.

good luck expecting England not being able to bat out the final day....... their record on last day survivals is legendary
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Durhamfootman » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:16 pm

besides Bayleaf the gardener has gone..... so the England batsmen will certainly be a model of obduracy, now that they are no longer playing for their ODI place
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Durhamfootman » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:17 pm

Ha! :stupid

they still wouldn't last much more than 2 sessions even with all 10 wickets in hand
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Durhamfootman » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:21 pm

I wonder when the last time England went into the final day of a test match and managed to bat all day was?

My guess would be Brisbane 2010.... but then I am Mr glass half empty

surely they've managed it since then?

it would be ridiculous for an England side to be so woeful for so long
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Durhamfootman » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:22 pm

I heard that England reverted to type on day 3 and just banged the ball in short all day
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby yuppie » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:52 pm

Durhamfootman wrote:I heard that England reverted to type on day 3 and just banged the ball in short all day



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