NZ v England test matches, November 2019

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NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby bigfluffylemon » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:58 pm

Warm up NZ A v England XI 15-17 Nov at Whangeri

1st test NZ v England 21-25 Nov at Mount Maunganui

2nd test NZ v England 29 Nov - 3 Dec at Hamilton

This has rolled around quickly, given England last played New Zealand in New Zealand in March 2018. It's not part of the test championship, in case anyone gives a stuff.

Some second-tier venues getting the run out here matches. Bay Oval at Mount Maunganui gets its first test (I had to look up where it is, it's on the north coast of the North Island, about 200k from Auckland). Hamilton is a more regular venue, but it will be England's second ever test at the ground (the first was in 2008, where New Zealand thrashed England by 178 runs, and we saw the last appearance in an England shirt of the redoubtable Matthew Hoggard).

England XI for the first test seems likely to be: Sibley, Burns, Denley, Root, Stokes, Pope, Buttler, Woakes/Curran, Archer, Broad, Leach. Denley's spot depends on his fitness - should he come through the warm-up, he seems set to play, otherwise Bairstow will be waiting in the wings. Word from the camp seems to be that despite making runs in the warmup Crawley will have to wait until another time for his debut, as will Parkinson and Mahmood. The final spot seems to be set to be a shoot-out between Woakes and Curran for the third seamer/number eight with the bat spot. Curran might have the edge here, as Woakes' overseas record is weak, and Curran offers some variation with his left arm attack, while Woakes is yet another RMF. But Woakes has more pace and experience. I guess we'll see.

NZ are pretty settled in the batting department, with Latham, Raval, Williamson, Taylor, Nicholls and Watling all set to play, with de Grandhomme in the allrounder role. On the bowling side, while the trio of Boult, Southee and Wagner have been the core for a little while, there seems to be some suggestion that Lockie Ferguson may force his way into the attack at the expense of one of the latter two. There is no locked down spinner spot it seems, with Ajaz Patel, William Somerville and Ish Sodi all fairly new, and all used in the recent past. Of course, spring in New Zealand, plenty of rain around and the potential for a lot of movement off the seam does leave the option open of four quicks and no spinner at all. Given the struggles of England's top order of late, it may be a tempting prospect.

England haven't won a test series in New Zealand since 2008, with a draw in 2013 and a chastening loss in 2018 when a rampant Boult destroyed England on the first morning of the series. Given England's recent batting woes, you'd be brave to bet against that happening again at some point in this series.

Silverwood's first test series in charge, so we'll see how stage one of the apparent plan to win the Ashes back in 2021 unfolds. FWIW, I'm predicting a repeat of last time, 1-0 to New Zealand, with one of the two matches a rain-affected draw. But my crystal ball has been pretty murky of late...
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:49 pm

NZ to win.

Maybe Santner will do their spinners job?

England haven't played at home against NZ for four years now and have played the Kiwis away twice in succession. Which doesn't tend to happen too often.

England started off the last series getting bowled out for 58 in Aukland. Can't start as badly again. That was last year. England will have at least seven changes from then. NZ probably only one- no Todd Astle this time.
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:52 pm

It's not reasonable, though very England, for JB2 to be called into the squad and then overtake people actually initially in the squad for a place in the first Test.
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:54 pm

That 58 included Overton scoring 32 in the tail.
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby bigfluffylemon » Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:48 am

Cricinfo confirms Lockie Ferguson appears to be in the running for a debut, while Todd Astle replaces Patel and Somerville as spinner in the squad. Santner could also be in the reckoning, as AC observes.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id ... en-call-up

Meanwhile England's bowlers are struggling a bit in the warm-up, as Glenn Phillips nears a hundred
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/192 ... nd-2019-20
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:09 am

If Astle plays it could be the same NZ team. Though I think it would be a good selection for Ferguson to play, maybe for NZ-Tim.

If Curran plays ahead of Woakes, England will have eight changes.
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:13 am

Mount Maunganui has featured a few ODIs, which have tended not to be that high scoring. England won quite easily there last year.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/108 ... nz-2017-18
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:41 pm

I posted this somewhere else, but this feels like the right place for it

Root and Silverwood have concocted a new test match strategy of batting with patience and bowling with patience.... heady stuff.... who knows whether this has a chance of working... it feels counter-intuitive for 5 day cricket

oh..... and Root will bat 4 because it's his best position
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby bigfluffylemon » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:06 pm

It's a bold innovative strategy, but I have a hunch it just could be better than the approach of the last four years of playing a bunch of white ball cricketers and bits-amd-pieces players in a seemingly random order in the top 6.

It's taken four years for them to work it out.
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:36 pm

Wait until England reinforce their desire to win the next ashes and become the number 1 test team in the world by selecting a bunch of red ball batsmen for all the ODI's and T20's in the next 4 year cycle.....and then shuffling them all about in a seemingly random order in the top 6

My advice to young players hoping to win England white ball central contracts............. sign red ball only contracts with your counties
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby bigfluffylemon » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:46 pm

:lol:
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:02 am

Three day warm up apparently. Denly doing the best of the batters.
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Durhamfootman » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:08 am

Buttler and Pope both make 88... not out in the case of JB2

England have a 50 run lead with 2 wickets left
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby bigfluffylemon » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:40 pm

Buttler kicks on to a ton, with good support from Archer with 41*. Archer then bags a wicket in his first over...
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Re: NZ v England test matches, November 2019

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:23 am

Archer liking the NZA bowling more than he did the Aussies in the summer.
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