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Best since Botham?

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Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:32 am
by Arthur Crabtree
Ex players are queueing up to describe Jimmy Anderson as the best England pace bowler since Ian Botham. I'm sure ITB would point to all the tons he scored too... In an effort to test that theory, pick your dream four man pace bowling attack for England since Botham retired from Tests in 1992. These are the top 15 wicket takers since then, listed in order of average, with wickets and average in brackets.
Re: Best since Botham?

Posted:
Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:37 am
by Gingerfinch
I've gone
Fraser
Gough
Caddick
Anderson
Filntoff, Hoggard, Harmy, and Broad could have all got in tbh. Not much between them.
Gough and Caddick were an excellent pairing, who, especially caddick could destroy batting line-ups. Fraser got in through his nagging accuracy.
Like I said, the four below are just as good.
Broad
Hoggard
Flintoff
Harmisson
Re: Best since Botham?

Posted:
Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:38 am
by Arthur Crabtree
Tremlett just misses out by not having enough wickets to qualify, though it might have been sensible to have included him ahead of Devon.
Re: Best since Botham?

Posted:
Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:40 am
by hopeforthebest
Dr Robert wrote:I've gone
Fraser
Gough
Caddick
Anderson
Filntoff, Hoggard, Harmy, and Broad could have all got in tbh. Not much between them.
Gough and Caddick were an excellent pairing, who, especially caddick could destroy batting line-ups. Fraser got in through his nagging accuracy.
Like I said, the four below are just as good.
Broad
Hoggard
Flintoff
Harmisson
The 2005 ashes quartet will do for me : Jones in place of Broad.
Re: Best since Botham?

Posted:
Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:41 am
by Aidan11
Harmison, Hoggard, Flintoff & Anderson for me.
Re: Best since Botham?

Posted:
Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:46 am
by Gingerfinch
Nobody really stands out from the rest. I suspect most would have Jimmy, but if you look at other teams from the same period, one or two would be chosen by 99% of the voters.
Windies - Ambrose & Walsh
Pakistan - Waqar & Akram
India - Srinath & Zaheer
S Africa - Donald, Steyn, and Pollock
Sri-Lanka - Vaas
Australia - McGrath
Looking at our bowlers, we've had just as many 'good' bowlers than any other side, without having a great. Not saying Vaas, Zaheer, or Srinath are greats of course.
Re: Best since Botham?

Posted:
Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:48 am
by DiligentDefence
As a quartet I've gone for Anderson, Flintoff, Fraser and Gough.
Re: Best since Botham?

Posted:
Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:49 am
by Arthur Crabtree
hopeforthebest wrote:[
The 2005 ashes quartet will do for me : Jones in place of Broad.
I was thinking that way. At least I picked Jones and Freddie. I'd love to have Harmi, but it's true, excellent though he was, he took most wickets against WI&NZ. Having picked these two, who shone briefly but brightly, I carried on in that spirit with Dean Headley. And completed the attack with the incredibly underrated Angus Fraser. I think they all complement each other.
Re: Best since Botham?

Posted:
Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:50 am
by Arthur Crabtree
DiligentDefence wrote:As a quartet I've gone for Anderson, Flintoff, Fraser and Gough.
Pretty good looking attack.
Re: Best since Botham?

Posted:
Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:55 am
by hopeforthebest
Arthur Crabtree wrote:hopeforthebest wrote:[
The 2005 ashes quartet will do for me : Jones in place of Broad.
I was thinking that way. At least I picked Jones and Freddie. I'd love to have Harmi, but it's true, excellent though he was, he took most wickets against WI&NZ. Having picked these two, who shone briefly but brightly, I carried on in that spirit with Dean Headley. And completed the attack with the incredibly underrated Angus Fraser. I think they all complement each other.
I don't remember any pace attack that has gelled in the same way as those four did in 2005, that for me is the clincher. Others maybe better bowlers but a balanced attack is a rare thing.
Re: Best since Botham?

Posted:
Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:59 am
by Gingerfinch
hopeforthebest wrote:Arthur Crabtree wrote:hopeforthebest wrote:[
The 2005 ashes quartet will do for me : Jones in place of Broad.
I was thinking that way. At least I picked Jones and Freddie. I'd love to have Harmi, but it's true, excellent though he was, he took most wickets against WI&NZ. Having picked these two, who shone briefly but brightly, I carried on in that spirit with Dean Headley. And completed the attack with the incredibly underrated Angus Fraser. I think they all complement each other.
I don't remember any pace attack that has gelled in the same way as those four did in 2005, that for me is the clincher. Others maybe better bowlers but a balanced attack is a rare thing.
Swann or Giles as the spinner?
Re: Best since Botham?

Posted:
Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:25 pm
by Making_Splinters
Players like Fraser would need to be hidden in the field these days.
Just picking the four best bowlers, ignoring batting and fielding.
Gough
Fraser
Headley
Anderson
Re: Best since Botham?

Posted:
Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:51 pm
by Alviro Patterson
Gough, Sidebottom, Hoggard, Bresnan
Re: Best since Botham?

Posted:
Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:56 pm
by Arthur Crabtree
Alviro Patterson wrote:Gough, Sidebottom, Hoggard, Bresnan
Craig White a bit unlucky there.
Re: Best since Botham?

Posted:
Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:58 pm
by SaintPowelly
Dominic Cork.