CMS Test XI of last 50 Years- Number 6.

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Pick a number six.

Poll ended at Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:40 pm

Michael Clarke
0
No votes
Garry Sobers
4
33%
AB de Villiers
0
No votes
Shiv Chanderpaul
0
No votes
Michael Hussey
0
No votes
Allan Border
0
No votes
Steve Waugh
1
8%
VVS Laxman
2
17%
Jacques Kallis
2
17%
Imran Khan
2
17%
Ravi Shastri
0
No votes
Ian Botham
0
No votes
Andrew Flintoff
1
8%
Chris Cairns
0
No votes
Kapil Dev
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 12

Re: CMS Test XI of last 50 Years- Number 6.

Postby sussexpob » Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:55 am

Gingerfinch wrote:C'mon Sussex, you and I know Bevan was an average test player, despite that stat.


Explain why? Any relation to the fact his FC record wasnt great for bowling will obviously lead to a counter argument that he is arguably the best ODI player ever with the bat, and I believe the msot successful Sheffield Shield run scorer in history, at a time the competition was considered at its historical peak. Any expected drop in Bowling would logically assume an opposite and slightly larger shift towards his batting.

This is besides the way point anyway. Australia didnt justify playing an Allrounder at 6, even one performing to a better level than Kapil Dev over both formats. They dropped him, they became a better team.

Not sure why names like Imran Khan are relevant. He is but one name in 100's or 1000's of all rounders that didint make it. If the argument is, does the best allrounder ever justify his selection as a number 6, then yes of course. But there are only possibly 3 names I would pick (Khan/Sobers/Kallis), literalyl everyone else is going into my team at 8. In a perfect team, your four bowlers are going to shred your opposition all the time, so the fifth bowler is redundant. So why pick a guy not to bowl, who isnt batting as well?

Good example. Windies had the best attack ever put together, no spinner, no allrounder, no real 5th bowler...... didnt lose in 15 years. Good or great 4 man attacks utilise the 5th bowler less and less, and therefore good teams require a specialist batter at 6 more simply in terms of efficiency.
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Re: CMS Test XI of last 50 Years- Number 6.

Postby Gingerfinch » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:02 pm

Imran is relevant cause we can pick him, that's why I'm having him above another batter.

I've watched Bevan bat in England and just think (like the aussie selectors) that he never looked like scoring runs in tests. Hitting 68 in an ODI is all well and good but that doesn't hold much in tests. As for the S/Shield? Well Hick and Ramps scored plenty in county cricket.

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Re: CMS Test XI of last 50 Years- Number 6.

Postby sussexpob » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:14 pm

Gingerfinch wrote: As for the S/Shield? Well Hick and Ramps scored plenty in county cricket


Drifting off topic here, but I am not sure you can compare county cricket to Shield cricket in the 90's and early 2000's, which was probably of a higher standard than 75% of test matches going on!!! Those players that are around the same level of performance in terms of runs, from the same era, and who got caps....

Lehmann.... averages 45 in tests
Brad Hodge.... averages 55 in tests
Martin Love...averages 46 in tests
Stuart Law....averages 50 in tests
Chris Rodgers...averages 43 in tests despite playing most of his caps late into his 30s

You know the only two people to have a better average over 5000 runs in Shield Cricket.....Ricky Ponting and Sir Don Bradman. We know how those careers ended.

It was a vritual guarantee of quality scoring runs in the Shield in those days. And remember, I can name you another of Australia's legends of the same era that took 30 odd tests to get a hundred and had to rely on his bowling to keep him in the team.

You might of heard of him too. He is currently joint lead in this poll !! :thumb
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Re: CMS Test XI of last 50 Years- Number 6.

Postby Gingerfinch » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:26 pm

Waugh was lucky he came into a poor side and had a run before he adapted to tests, but I remember seeing him on the 86/87 tour and being slightly impressed.

Back to the thread.

Why would you need six batsmen plus Gilly and only four bowlers? Safety first? If a player like Imran is available then pick him.
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Re: CMS Test XI of last 50 Years- Number 6.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:50 pm

I'd pick Imran over all the other batters on this list (given I want Border at five). Just that Waugh feels too good and significant to leave out.

Votes for Bevan can be made in the posts. ;)

Waugh's in the news at the moments after Warne gave him a blast for dropping him twenty years ago. Hard to really know what Warne's point is. Waugh told the blond leg spinner to his face and gave his reasons. Warne admits he was struggling. Waugh didn't plot or deceive. He just did his job as skipper.
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Re: CMS Test XI of last 50 Years- Number 6.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:51 pm

I'd guess if Imran or Waugh are selected at six, they would be captains too. Very different seeming captains.
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Re: CMS Test XI of last 50 Years- Number 6.

Postby Gingerfinch » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:21 pm

Well you wouldn't have Beefy or Freddie, if selected.

Gavasker must have captained India a few times? I've never heard his name mentioned when people talk of great captains, so I presume he didn't have a great record.
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Re: CMS Test XI of last 50 Years- Number 6.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:36 pm

From memory, Viswanath was captain, but Gavaskar took over after, then Kapil Dev and Shastri. I think it was shared around a bit. I reckon Bedi had a go. And Venkat.

just looked it up, Gavaskar was skipper 76-85. So it's him or Viv or Lara if the number six doesn't deliver.
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Re: CMS Test XI of last 50 Years- Number 6.

Postby Gingerfinch » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:38 pm

Forgot about Viv. Good record, though he inherited a great side.
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Re: CMS Test XI of last 50 Years- Number 6.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:43 pm

Funny how everyone used to say Warne was the best skipper Australia never had... but you don't hear it as often anymore.
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Re: CMS Test XI of last 50 Years- Number 6.

Postby Durhamfootman » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:52 pm

The best XI will need someone to play, which would affect the line up. The opposition would, I imagine, have to be the best ever side of the last 50 years, which would either see Gilchrist, Warne and Glenda (if he gets the gig) dropped from the best XI, or Viv and Marshall.

that could bring some of the unlucky 'worthies' back into contention


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Re: CMS Test XI of last 50 Years- Number 6.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:32 pm

They can play the team up until 1965. I'm sure everyone would like to see Bradman clouting Warne for a four down the ground. Sidney Barnes bowling to Sehwag. Sobers making it personal because he wasn't picked for the post 65 team. Hutton telling McGrath that his wife gives him a biscuit. etc
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Re: CMS Test XI of last 50 Years- Number 6.

Postby Gingerfinch » Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:33 pm

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman
Headley
Hammond
Miller

Not a bad top six.
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Re: CMS Test XI of last 50 Years- Number 6.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:38 pm

Sobers at six?
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Re: CMS Test XI of last 50 Years- Number 6.

Postby Durhamfootman » Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:39 pm

I'm already looking forward to Warne shafting the Don's average when given the chance to bowl to him on uncovered pitches.... Murali too if the post 65 mob uinclude him as second spinner

uncovered pitches... why wouldn't you have 2 spinners?

I'm trying to picture the Don's face when Warne pitches a ball 6 feet outside leg and knocks his off stump over
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